Forget 1938 -- How About 1998?

**rory_20_uk** · 09-12-2006, 09:43

So, the article states that what Clinton was done was wrong, and implies that something stronger would have worked - without mentioning what that was.

Isn't hindsight great?

**macsen rufus** · 09-12-2006, 10:11

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

Aw, shucks... I don't know what to say... obviously I'd like to thank the crew, my backers, erm, all the little people and the fans, of course. And if there's a prize, I'd like it to go to the good people of Persepolis...

**Spetulhu** · 09-12-2006, 10:18

It's so much easier to compare the Neocons to Nazis. Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer! Isn't that exactly what the Bush administration is saying? Shut up, cooperate and let the Great Leader handle everything according to his vision. Questions or <gasp!> outright disagreement means you're a traitor.

**rotorgun** · 09-12-2006, 12:56

Originally Posted by Spetulhu

It's so much easier to compare the Neocons to Nazis. Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer! Isn't that exactly what the Bush administration is saying? Shut up, cooperate and let the Great Leader handle everything according to his vision. Questions or <gasp!> outright disagreement means you're a traitor.

Indeed. Thatis how they originally got so many opponents in the Senate and Congress to vote their way on the responses to Al Quaeda's attacks in the first place-either show your support or we'll denounce you as unpatriotic. It worked quite well too, as the Democrats are now finding it difficult to seperate themselves from their earlier stance.

Just what was the response? Let's overthrow Saddam, they said. I hate to say it, but that is the equivelent of attacking Mexico because the Japenese attacked us at Pearl Harbor in 1941. Face it, they were completely wrong about all of their "causus belli" so far for this war. After lying to the world, they now ask me to just jump on board with their future plans? If they want to redraw the geo-political map of the middle east so bad, than let them do so without me. I say to Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, "Dubyah", Richard Perle, and all of the Neo (Nazi) Cons to have at it. I doubt you'll see many of these conservative warhawk warriors on the front lines though. That would be far too dangerous to risk their precious hides.

Lord Almighty,

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 09-12-2006, 15:59

I think America has a problem with moderation. Cruise missiles may be low key but they're big gun low key.

What Bush does may be high profile but its still just big gun.

We (the British) are now in a world of pain because we listened to the local governor in Helmand, abandoned the little gun turtle plan and now we're fighting American Style.

**Banquo's Ghost** · 09-12-2006, 16:14

Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall

We (the British) are now in a world of pain because we listened to the local governor in Helmand, abandoned the little gun turtle plan and now we're fighting American Style.

I think you'll find the British are coming unstuck in Afghanistan because of political incompetence and mission creep. (My, that's an understatement - let's try mission-jump-over-the-high-fence-and-run-like-b***ery).

History demonstrates the futility of trying to control Afghans. The Brits tried it once, gave up and now some fool of a government minister thought it would be a good thing to try again. The forces were equipped for a mission that 'no shot would be fired.' There's no hearts and minds to be won in Afghanistan, only loot to be distributed.

Karzai has the right idea, keeping the northern warlords quiet with loads of money. For a while, till they get better offers. The Taleban are increasing in popularity. NATO claimed 2,000 killed in the last month - yet only a few months before we were being told there were less than 2,000 Taleban in the entire country.

The Americans actually had the right idea at first, smash up the terrorist networks and Taleban government with severe force. They were close to getting bin Laden and then they should have got the hell out of Dodge. The Afghans love to fight amongst themselves, the US could have made merry hell by sponsoring each warlord in turn.

**Fragony** · 09-13-2006, 08:24

It's rediculous to compare the two, nazi germany was the biggest economy and had the biggest army, and actually had the ability to kick some major butt. Al Quaida and the other puppies are only dangerous because of our own muslim communities, there is no military threat to our homelands whatsoever.