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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiochusIII
    Legio: That's impossible. Try screw Wal-Mart.
    What exactly has wal-mart done that's so evil? If they haven't done anything evil then I guess it's just good that you cant screw them. If they have done something evil, then there's always the national guard and the US army. No criminal company/organization can survive for long if they truly threaten the security of the nation in some way. While some companies may leave the country as a result of such military action, there's little danger that any others than those companies who are carrying out illegal and unethical activities will leave.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntiochusIII
    Of all your points, though, one stands out to me as absurd. Mental therapy for war refugees? What's that for? How could you assume that refugees from war-ravaged countries are automatically troubled, will resort to racism and violence, and therefore will become a detriment to the West?
    If they aren't troubled, they will be let out of therapy after a single session. But imagine yourself coming to an unknown country. You've escaped and barely survived. All your friends and relatives have been killed by bullets in front of your eyes. You don't understand any of the bureaucracy of the country you've come to, you're lost in the middle of the crowds and don't know the language. You can't find a job because many employers are racists. Would you feel good? Would you honestly say you don't need any help? The thing is - many people in our countries go to psychologists for five to ten years over having seen a single dead body of their deceased grandmother, something that ridiculous, while these guys have seen their children or relatives shot to pieces before their eyes. People must be given time and assistance to get over such traumas. We can't just put these traumatized people, of which many are apathic, anorectic, post-traumatic stress-affected etc. into society and expect them to work, then when some of them become criminals have people saying that people of their race, religion or culture are more violent and criminal than others. These people must be given a chance. And if not help with emotions, they need help with strategy and understanding how to establish themselves within the new society system they have come to. Many non-foreigners who go to therapy actually don't have any emotional problems but simply need a good life strategy and information about these things that are so difficult to find information about, but as a result of lacking such strategy have received emotional problems. Also you might not know, but many immigrants due to lack of information about the new country, together with previous traumas, and finally together with lacking skills in the language spoken in the country they come to, get depressions and become isolated. Some of the most frequent visitors to hospitals are immgrants who haven't gone through proper integration procedures but have just been put into some concrete building in a ghetto and forgotten, with depression and isolation being the typical diagnosis.

    And also I'd like to point out that as far as immigration goes, these refugees from war countries are the refugees we should give most room to, these are the refugees that truly need to come here, whereas labor immigration and immigration from countries that have a slightly better situation must be stopped so as to give room for the people from war-ravaged countries that truly need help. It's a known fact that there's a limited capacity for taking care of immigrants, and that capacity should go to those who need it most. Immigrants who come from countries where they don't starve and don't have wars, that come here just for luxury and improved living standards are in a way murderers when they by coming here block the path for those who really need to immigrate to our countries from war-ravaged regions.

    Oh and as far as integration goes it's not only about helping the newcomers but it's also a necessary step for ensuring their loyalty. They may keep their religion etc., but when coming here they should learn that:
    1. Christian symbols might remain on our old cultural buildings and monuments, that doesn't mean we critisize their religion
    2. the main language spoken is the language of the country they come to
    3. gestures are to be interpreted using the new country's guidelines. Gestures that are evil in their home countries aren't necessarily evil gestures here
    4. just because we've helped them doesn't mean we're stupid idiots who will let them commit crimes. Just because we have lower sentences it doesn't mean that crime is a profitable thing to do here.
    5. any citizen of these countries has as his duty to fight for preservation of democracy and tolerance
    6. freedom of speech exists, even to critisize to some extent
    7. they will not be allowed to continue fighting their old wars and conflicts from their homelands when they have come to western countries.
    Last edited by Rodion Romanovich; 09-17-2006 at 08:18.
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