If you could add just one more faction it would be...

[Kagemusha]

Kiev

[Bakma]

safavids, moghuls or khmer

[magnum]

I voted for the Cumans, but it isn't a clear cut choice for me. Basically I'd like to see any of several Eastern empires represented simply to give more factions in that region.

Tuetonic Knights were tempting (as Crusader States would have been if in the poll), but unless CA intends to do Era's or significantly increase the number of factions capable of coming into existance during play, I didn't see any reason to add another one.

[Vladimir]

Armenia because it was so fun to play in XL.

[Kralizec]

Aragon: really should have been in to do more justice to the battleground that was the Iberian peninsula. For me though they're not the most fun faction.
Burgundy: regionally they were quite important but I wouldn't really use one of the sparse faction slots for them.
Teutonic Knights: should be a fun faction, with lots of knights and heavy infantry in the baltic regions fighting pagans and orthodox russians. Definitely a candidate.
Serbia: my favourite! They were quite an important kingdom on the Balkans. One of the last Serbian kings almost agreed with the Pope to start another crusade against the Ottomans. And I love playing them in MTW:XL
Bulgaria: same of the former applies, but I like them less for some reason. Not sure why.
Kiev: I wouldn't use another faction slot for another Russian faction, but axing Novgorod in favour of Kiev does sound like a good idea.
Armenia: would be an interesting faction to play considering their powerful neighbours, all the moreso because they're christian. They're a nice faction in MTW:XL too.
Georgia: not sure.
Cumans: Orda Khan makes a good point considering steppe peoples. They probably would be the best choice, but I still voted Serbia because I like them better
Baghdad Caliphate: not sure.

[Tamur]

Tough to fit all the options into a poll like this.

Although the Danes are without a doubt an essential faction, there was much more going on in the Baltic and surrounding country during this period than that.

The Svear and Götar would be perfect to include at game start, the Fairhair dynasty in Norway, the Finns, Tavastians, Karelians & Sami in Finland. And that's just around 1100, lots more moving forward in time to explore.

It would be great fun to see a Baltic/Scandinavian mod.

[IrishArmenian]

Armenia because it was so fun to play in XL.

What is this XL?

[Mount Suribachi]

Its a mod for MTW - not as big or as game-changing as BKBs Super-mod, or Wes W's MedMod, it adds a load more factions, a bit more historicicity and makes the game a bit harder.

[Bartix]

Lithuania, but I choose Cumans from those on list.

[ciprianrusu]

Serbia. They were an important faction in those days. And they could have had some special knights from the Order of the Dragon which was created by a serbian knight named Miloš Obilic;. (Vlad Dracul was a member of that order that was very feared by the turks)

[cioma]

I'd like to see the Grand Duchy of Litva, Rus', and Samogitia - one of the most powerful states in the Medieval Eastern Europe. I'm surprised developers didn't include it from the very beginning, because it's the same if they "forgot" to include France :)


The "Historical battles" part could include the following:

- The Battle of Grunwald (July 15, 1410) - Belarusian-Polish army against Teutonic Order army. This is one of the biggest battles of Medieval Europe. Teutonic Order was utterly beaten and dissapeared from the political and economical scene as a serious player.

- The Battle of Vorsha (September 8, 1514) - Belarusian army and Poles (30,000 soldiers) against Russian invaders (80,000 soldiers). Using military talent Belarusians totally destroyed russian army.

P.S. I wrote nation names as they are known in present, because in medieval times different nations had differrent names (e.g medieval name "Litva" denotes todays Belarusians, not Lithuanians).

[DukeofSerbia]

Bulgaria and Serbia would be nice but only one out of those two would be necessary.

When MII TW starts Bulgaria was under Romanoi rule and Serbs had state - Zeta. So, Serbia.

[DukeofSerbia]

Serbia: my favourite! They were quite an important kingdom on the Balkans. One of the last Serbian kings almost agreed with the Pope to start another crusade against the Ottomans. And I love playing them in MTW:XL

Thanks Krazilec. "the last Serbian kings" was Emperor Dushan who "almost" agreed with Pope. Long story. And not onother - first! I can send you something good about XL mod (improvements). I will contact you via pm or you me.

[Sun of Chersonesos]

id like to see the irish, the bulgarians or the serbians on.

[Faenaris]

I voted Burgundy. They most closely resemble the Flemish from that list. The Runner-up is the Teutonic Knights.

[Wishazu]

I voted Aragon as I enjoyed the challenge of playing as them in M1tw but I would actually like the Lithuanians to be represented. If you want to know why just look no further http://z4.invisionfree.com/Round_Tab...showtopic=1710

[Apoc]

Teutonic Knights, since Norway wasn't on it.

Yes, I am that selfish...

[ColdPrecision]

BULGARIA FTW!
Yeah, I'm of Bulgarian Descent, plus they played a role no smaller than the Serbs in Medieval times. Hell, Byzantium at one point was paying tribute to the Khan.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I would Say the Swiss or The Teutonic Knights..

[BaldwinIV]

Teutonic order is created in 1190 and their country established around 1226. It is impossible to put them into the vanilla game because it starts in 1080

[Darsh]

Maya faction

[Guillaume le Batard]

Abbasid Caliphate of Baghdad!

A little more complexity in the lower right-hand corner of the map would be quite cool! Imagine the old Calipahte, minus many of its former provinces (taken by the Fatimids), still hanging on... until the Timurids show up and start knocking them around!

As a big fan of "the Turks" I would love to see a little a little buffer between me and the inevitable Timurid invasion... heh

Guillaume

[Redtemplar]

Serbia. It would be interesting to see such unknown faction.

Omg! Teutonic order (or I would say teutonic disorder and chaos makers) third position. These liers and thieves should be prohibited. I would faster erase them from Med II than add to this game :).

[Prince of the Poodles]

The Teutonic Knights would be awesome. They were definately a distinctive faction that played a large role in Eastern Europe until Tannenberg.

They had awesome knights, and also all sorts of mercenary infantry from Europe.

Although they were almost all German by birth, the order quickly established that it owed no allegiance to anyone but the pope. It acted on its own, like any other kingdom.

It could be said they were the most successful crusading order. Their conquered kindom lasted longer and was larger than any of the others I believe. (unless you count the reconquista as a crusade)

Anyway, they would be a challenge to Poland and Russia in the game and would not make it so easy for those nations to collect all those empty eastern provinces.

Also, if Im not mistaken, they tangled with the mongols aswell.

[Martok]

As BaldwinIV has already pointed out, however, the Teutonic Knights didn't emerge until well into the period that Medieval 2 covers. Therefore it wouldn't make sense to add them as a starting faction, anymore than it would to add the Timurids or Golden Horde.

Maya faction

Adding the Mayans also wouldn't make sense, as none of the "American" factions are playable (and rightly so).

[Kavhan Isbul]

I am obviously biased here, but the problem is that Bulgaria reappeared on the map in 1187. I just wish that the MTW periods concept was not abandoned in M2TW . Sigh.
From the rest of the options, I believe the Cumans would be the best addition, as they can fill in a huge gap, occupied by rebels, from what I have seen. They played quite an important role in history, so thei inclusion in the game would be well justified. However, the thing I like most about the Cumans is that they simply present another option to the player - with them you have the choice to play a pagan faction, with all advantages and challenges paganism presents, and this would provide some nice variety in what is an already heavy catholic-oriented game.
At the end, however, when which faction is included in a game or not is a decision based not as much on history and even gameplay, but on marketing. And I cannot blame SEGA for that - they need to develop the game for markets where it will sell, otherwise there will be no game at all. I personally rely on the modders - there were some excellent mods for MTW, and I am sure there will be even greater ones for M2TW.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

As BaldwinIV has already pointed out, however, the Teutonic Knights didn't emerge until well into the period that Medieval 2 covers. Therefore it wouldn't make sense to add them as a starting faction, anymore than it would to add the Timurids or Golden Horde.


Adding the Mayans also wouldn't make sense, as none of the "American" factions are playable (and rightly so).

Though, you could always Have them as a Unlockable Faction Though..

[Riadach]

Ireland? They were just a disorganised bunch of tribes vying against each other for the top place? If Wales is not in the game, the Irish have even less right to be in there.

My vote goes to Aragon. I can't believe they aren't included. True, the were the secondary faction during the Reconquista, but they also heald many possessions on the Mediterranean such as Corsica, Sardinia and Sicily.
The Teutonic Knights would be fun to play, but they had no where near as much impact as the Aragonese.

Tribes? eh no, no no no no no. The were divided into three dominating factions who were vying for dominance. just a struggle to establish a strong central monarchy like was happening all over europe. In fact ireland would have been more centralised than the france at this stage.

[Ferret]

Novgorod!
I would have voted Ireland if it had been there.

[Redtemplar]

The Teutonic Knights would be awesome. They were definately a distinctive faction that played a large role in Eastern Europe until Tannenberg.

They had awesome knights, and also all sorts of mercenary infantry from Europe 9most of them was

Yes but they lost with Polish - Lithuanian army at Grunwald (this is the correct name for "Tannenberg" in medieval times - Tannenberg was in I World War).

They fought with mongols? Are you joking? They never even touched a single mongol warrior. When Poland needed help to protect christians only templars arrived and czech army was coming as reinforcements to merge huge army (they didn't come in time).

So you can see polish ruler gave them a territory to protect, when they will destroy aggressive prussian tribe (Poland didn't have enough soldiers to defend from many sides). This was "help" but it changed into worse situation, because Teutonic order falsified many documents (right to territories) and attacked official christian allies. For me there were nothing more than thief knights.