Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

[Maizel]

Come on, you know you can't keep it a secret forever ;)


I find it hard to lose, without sending my general on a suicide attack. If I just order all units i have into a fight, I win anyway

Anyone managed lo lose? while playing serious? Did you manage to lose at all?

[Furious Mental]

I lost the first time. I think my longbowmen shot Henry V in the back. I do wish they wouldn't do that.

[Bob the Insane]

Won the first, lost the second, won the third...

I think the only way you can really lose is if you do not deal with the rear cavalry attack appropriately...

When I lost I had been had been running the billmen around a bit and they where still in motion and out of position when the cavalry attack turned up... The cavalry made the efoort to strike my manuvouring billman from the flanks and proceeded to cut them to bits. Plus one unit got past and smashed the longbow men on the left flank and proceeded to roll along the archers... King Henry went down fight in a mass of French dismounted nobles...

In the third attempt I I put my infantry on guard (except of the King's unit whim I used as mobile trouble shooters) and left the billmen in the rear...

I hardly had to lift a finger to win that time...

[Ibn Munqidh]

To lose in that battle u must be an idiot. You just have to sit around and wait for victory.

[x-dANGEr]

Well, I lost Pavia a couple of times.. (Mind you, my 3 FPS rate and really bad GFX were no help :P )

Though, now after I picked the perfect settings with the smallest scale possible, it shows easy.

P.S. Isn't it strange there are no difficulties?

[Lanfire]

I played the demo... 7 times.. and i never lost 1 battle... Not to brag or someting but it isn't that hard.

[Maizel]

Well, I lost Pavia a couple of times.. (Mind you, my 3 FPS rate and really bad GFX were no help :P )

Though, now after I picked the perfect settings with the smallest scale possible, it shows easy.

P.S. Isn't it strange there are no difficulties?

Why can't i pick my unit sizes?

[cutepuppy]

the French?

[hoom]

I won but it was much closer than I expected
England won the real battle with relatively low losses, I was left with only about 2-300 guys

[Wishazu]

yeah i won but with only King Henry`s unit and a few longbowmen.

When I played I didnt really do anything, I just let the french come at me.

[Zatoichi]

First time I played it was a pyrhic victory, as I only had a handful of dismounted knights and longbowmen left. Second time was better but by then I was aware of the surprise element and cheesily planned accordingly!

Pavia I lost first time and won the second, but I was concentrating on the new units and animations more than the actual battle. That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it.

[Bob the Insane]

Having a lot of fun running around the battle feild with King Henry's army now...

Try retreating to the big hill to the rear of your position, that is a laugh... You have to sacrific a unit to give you troops time to get there...

I think I will try moving my units into the town, and possibly an all out attack to see what happens...

Doing this really shows the scripted nature of the battle though... So units appear to be instructed to go to a position and attack, but if you have moved away they just hang around doing nothing. But other units appears to be scripted to attach certain of your units and will follow them all over the battlefield to do so...

[The Marcher Lord]

Oh yes! Lost it the first time I played it because I switched off all the HUD buttons/icons etc. then went in close for a load of screenies and just to enjoy seeing the French cavalry slaughtered at the wooden stakes. Then I got the message that Henry was having a spot of bother and could I possibly help, looked up and the poor sod was completely surrounded by the French rear attack. King dies - Game Over

[Sir Robin]

The Brits just have so much more experience than the French it would be hard really to lose.

I just hope some modder hacks it so I can bring the Brits experience down or the Frenchies up. That would make it a more interesting battle.

[hoom]

2nd time was less close but still uncomfortably high losses.

3rd time I swapped out the knights in the middle for the billmen & then hopped in the shower.
Came out & the cav seems to have charged the stakes to the death, all but 3individual archers dead + billmen & 4 units of knights largely unmolested.

I hate to think how this battle would go with weaker English units :o

[Polemists]

You people who keep braggin about never losing must be bored lol. I personally enjoy the challenge. Paxia is pretty challenging and while Agincourt is not the hardest battle ever it has it's own challenges. Mainly like others said the calvary in the rear. I guess if you pause alot and don't actually watch the fighting i'd be easier but it's just so nice to watch :)

[RtkBedivere]

P.S. Isn't it strange there are no difficulties?

the demo only supports the one AI setting. The real game of course will have many more options. I guess its CA's way of suprising us with potentially stronger AI.

[Beelzebub]

I didnt lose but it was challenging, most of my units of english knights/billmen (besides Henry's unit) had taken a beating and were between 10-30 men by the end. They held the line but just barely (same with the 2 units of billmen/knights) that held off rear, if one of them had routed I would of easily been overrun, although I did bolster them with Henry's guard. Overall a very entertaining battle, and a good reminder of why total war rules.

[Dooz]

Oo man, just played through the demo battles, awesome! I can't wait till this thing is released. Came pretty close to losing, gotta say. I was left with 187 men when all was said and done, Henry did well. If their King didn't go down at the last minute when he did, I would have lost for sure. Boy oh boy, fun stuff. I like the speeds, animations, blood, everything. One month is looking like a lifetime right about now.

Oh and Pavia was called a draw! Awesome! I forgot that I was supposed to go on the offensive and take out the remaining forces after their initial attacks, so I lost a few minutes there. By the time I was mobilizing to take them out, I got the draw message. Pretty fun though, muskets are awesome. Graphics are gorgeous, I'm running everything on high with no slow down at all, I can't believe it.

[Slartibardfast]

the French?

Yes but they were defeated by the mud.

[Dooz]

Yes but they were defeated by the mud.

And the arrows piercing their flesh.

[Midnight]

I decided to just start the battle, ramp the speed up to 3.0, and wait.

Guess what? Clear Victory! Henry, 5 of his bodyguard, and a unit of 30 or so yeoman archers (all arrows spent) were all I had left, but I still won without doing a single thing (doesn't seem like a Clear Victory to me, but that's what it said)!

[Ituralde]

I actually lost Agincourt once, when King Henry managed to get killed in the cavalry charging in from behind (he was turned around and facing them though), kind of a bummer as the battle was really progressing well and I had very few casualties. The only other time I came close to loosing was when I watched out for blood effects and to admire the pretty graphics. Was left with 300 men at the end.

The more I play the battles, the more I actually like Agincourt, I know it's simple and you hardly have to maneuver as opposed to Pavia, but the scale feels more epic and the High Era units are just much more to my liking than the Late Era units.

Cheers!

Ituralde

[hoetje]

Won Agincourt relatively easily.Agincourt ain't much of a challenge.I didn't lose ONE unit,and when units where having a hard time,I just sent henry in to deal with the French.Mind you,Henry's unit only lost 2 men:P

But...my first battle,Pavia,I lost.Mainly because I thought I was watching a movie^^ I just sent my men in,and see how those finishing moves work and I gotta say,it's awesome Well done CA

[x-dANGEr]

the demo only supports the one AI setting. The real game of course will have many more options. I guess its CA's way of suprising us with potentially stronger AI.

Well, the difficluties in RTW gave the AI bonuses, nothing more about it.. Does this tell us that now difficulties actually make a difference in skill/tactics/strategies of the AI rather than the usual bonus(es) it gets?

[Satyr]

I downloaded the demo last night but didn't get to play. I got up this morning, set the resolution to fit my widescreen 24" monitor and started the Agincourt battle. Someone said you could win by doing nothing so I kicked the speed up full and watched before getting ready for work. I got slaughtered! Looks sweet though! I can't wait till tonight when I can actually play.

[Derfal Cadarn]

Lost Agincourt the first time, totally surprised by the knights at the rear and well poor old henry was left standing fighting against them all.

Played it second time and countered the attack from the rear, and won, however like most people had that few men left I wouldnt have wanted to see any more French coming at me.

As for Parvia, first game won fairly easily, other than my Musketeers routed a bit quick, however when I played the second time, I got swamped by troops , but hey such is life.

Any ways from what Ive seen so far it looks good, plays ok, and given that this is not the final version, am hopeful that the game will meet most expectations

[RtkBedivere]

Well, the difficluties in RTW gave the AI bonuses, nothing more about it.. Does this tell us that now difficulties actually make a difference in skill/tactics/strategies of the AI rather than the usual bonus(es) it gets?

Thats the hope but you would have to ask someone who knows. The idea was to make a much better AI and i assume that means put different skills/tactics in. But as i said you would have to ask someone like pala who really knows.

[Tamur]

I won my first time but then lost the next two because Henry got himself impaled on lances after he charged the rear-going cavalry.

After that, I've had several interesting ones where I abandon my position at the stakes and either fall back to the hill behind and across the road (a battle which took nearly fourty minutes) or else charge out into the open field at the last minute and flank with my archers, leaving some to contend with the incoming cavalry.

The pull back to the hill ended up with the lowest losses, even though I had to sacrifice two Archer units to keep the cavalry busy while I got into a defensive position.

Today's adventure will be moving everyone to take on the flanking cavalry early and then occupy that ridge up by the windmills.

[hoetje]

Something very strange occurred at Pavia last night...

As you know,the French knights always charge in front of your spearmen(they are scripted too) but last night,they actually charged very well,resulting in them slaying my spearmen all the way.First,I thought i already lost,but then, I saw good old Francis was a little overconfident,and found himself in the middle of all spearmen.They killed him of course,then the battle was easily won...

My point is,how can it be that that charge had so much more impact?I played Pavia like 5 times,and I saw the cavalry fall like flies everytime when they hit my spearmen...This time,it seemed they didn't want to die,I was very lucky that my spearmen killed Francis,otherwise i would have been beaten,no doubt.