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Crazed Rabbit
(note: this may not be the first, just the first I've heard of)
Originally Posted by :
DISBELIEF FELL over an Ottawa intensive care unit yesterday when police announced they were hunting the brother of a young woman who was shot to death at an east-end mall.
Ottawa police said last night they considered Khatera Sadiqi's 20-year-old brother, Hasibullah Sadiqi, a suspect in the shooting that killed the 20-year-old woman early Tuesday morning.
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Hameed Mangal said he heard Hasibullah Sadiqi had issues with the relationship.
"He wasn't happy because they were engaged," Hameed, 24, said.
Hopefully we in North America can better combat Islamic radicalism than Europe.DISBELIEF FELL over an Ottawa intensive care unit yesterday when police announced they were hunting the brother of a young woman who was shot to death at an east-end mall.
Ottawa police said last night they considered Khatera Sadiqi's 20-year-old brother, Hasibullah Sadiqi, a suspect in the shooting that killed the 20-year-old woman early Tuesday morning.
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Hameed Mangal said he heard Hasibullah Sadiqi had issues with the relationship.
"He wasn't happy because they were engaged," Hameed, 24, said.
Crazed Rabbit
We could hardly do a worse job than our friends in Europe.
That's very sad.
This was on the radio last night. I don't think we've caught the guy yet.
It's not Islamic radicalism, it's CULTURAL CONSERVATISM, albeit from an Islamic culture (although the practice probably predates Islam there as well).
Originally Posted by macsen rufus:
It's not Islamic radicalism, it's CULTURAL CONSERVATISM, albeit from an Islamic culture (although the practice probably predates Islam there as well).
Yes very true.It's not Islamic radicalism, it's CULTURAL CONSERVATISM, albeit from an Islamic culture (although the practice probably predates Islam there as well).
Honor killings are purely cultural pratice and not a islamic one.
Islam even forbids it.
Originally Posted by macsen rufus:
It's not Islamic radicalism, it's CULTURAL CONSERVATISM, albeit from an Islamic culture (although the practice probably predates Islam there as well).
Rats, you beat me to it.... It's not Islamic radicalism, it's CULTURAL CONSERVATISM, albeit from an Islamic culture (although the practice probably predates Islam there as well).
As long as they kill eachother and not the native women, waste of a perfectly good anger-management course if they are caught though. Nice culture, they have that, culture 
You can't imagine how many penal systems tolerated honour killings up until the last few decades. I wouldn't say though that it's culture specific, more like a remnant of a common practice in earlier ages that remains in countries/ parts of countries where central authorities are unable to enforce the law and justice depends on tribal models of authority.
Remember not to say anything factual about Islam, you'll get warnings from Ser....
Let me impliment the new policy.... You can blame a peaceful loving religion like Islam for this. I mean Muslims never use violence to avenge a wrong like silly cartoons about Muhamed, quoting of a dead emperors, or seeing ankles on a woman.
Let me impliment the new policy.... You can blame a peaceful loving religion like Islam for this. I mean Muslims never use violence to avenge a wrong like silly cartoons about Muhamed, quoting of a dead emperors, or seeing ankles on a woman.
I don't think that honour killings is directly related to Islam, as been mentioned about 3 times before your post, Dave.
Here in England we did introduce bans on marriage that was purely based on religion (our monarch still isn't allowed to be or marry a Catholic).
Yes, it is a problem in Europe. Any thoughts how to deal with this, as opposed to sneering that it is a problem over here? Since it is a tradition that certain people bring with them it is not something that can be controlled beyond placing it against the law which it already is.
Here in England we did introduce bans on marriage that was purely based on religion (our monarch still isn't allowed to be or marry a Catholic).
Yes, it is a problem in Europe. Any thoughts how to deal with this, as opposed to sneering that it is a problem over here? Since it is a tradition that certain people bring with them it is not something that can be controlled beyond placing it against the law which it already is.
Just because there is no passage 'thou wilst kill thy daughter because otherwise thy wilst be mocked in the local teahouse' in the Quran doesn't mean it isn't linked to islamic culture, women are seen as property there.
But was it present in the culture before Islam, and so islam just didn't bother to alter it?
It's not in the Bible either. Women got the vote in the UK under 100 years ago.
It's not in the Bible either. Women got the vote in the UK under 100 years ago.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Just because there is no passage 'thou wilst kill thy daughter because otherwise thy wilst be mocked in the local teahouse' in the Quran doesn't mean it isn't linked to islamic culture, women are seen as property there.
Their point is that "honor killings" were an element of the cultures in question -- some arabian, some indian sub-continent -- PRIOR to the advent of Islam. Islam even, at least officially, forbids such.Just because there is no passage 'thou wilst kill thy daughter because otherwise thy wilst be mocked in the local teahouse' in the Quran doesn't mean it isn't linked to islamic culture, women are seen as property there.
Now, if your point is that Islam has failed to change the practice and is enforcing it's ban on same with the "wink and a nod" approach, then you might have a valid criticism (and I think you would).
Edit:
Hmmm. How about the rape victims in the Bosnia conflict? Weren't they shunned? Is that a product of Islam or pre-islamic Balkan culture holdover?
Dunno, but if the quran forbids it I would say that they should have enough time to read it by now, they take it so seriously after all.
(this was a reply to rory)
(this was a reply to rory)
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk:
It's not in the Bible either.
Thou shalt not kill?It's not in the Bible either.
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk:
But was it present in the culture before Islam, and so islam just didn't bother to alter it?
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Not only bother to alter it but it appears they're doing a pretty good job keeping violent aspects of "culture". Must be history buffs being all nestalgic and stuff. But hey, atleast they're peaceful right?But was it present in the culture before Islam, and so islam just didn't bother to alter it?
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Originally Posted by Fragony:
As long as they kill eachother and not the native women, waste of a perfectly good anger-management course if they are caught though. Nice culture, they have that, culture
I doubt that a Muslim immigrant would even meet a native woman in North America, let alone find grounds to kill them.As long as they kill eachother and not the native women, waste of a perfectly good anger-management course if they are caught though. Nice culture, they have that, culture
No fatwah on the Apaches then! 
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...slim_violence/
I like the last 2 paragraphs besthttp://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...slim_violence/
Originally Posted by :
In every case, the pretext for the Muslim rage was the claim that Islam had been insulted. Freedom of speech was irrelevant: While the rioters and those inciting them routinely insult Christianity, Judaism, and other religions, they demand that no one be allowed to denigrate Islam or its prophet. It is a staggering double standard, and too many in the West seem willing to go along with it. Witness the editorials in US newspapers this week scolding the pope for his speech. Recall the State Department's condemnation of the Danish cartoons last winter.
Of course nobody's faith should be gratuitously affronted. But the real insult to Islam is not a line from a papal speech or a cartoon about Mohammed. It is the violence, terror, and bloodshed that Islamist fanatics unleash in the name of their religion -- and the unwillingness of most of the world's Muslims to say or do anything to stop them.
In every case, the pretext for the Muslim rage was the claim that Islam had been insulted. Freedom of speech was irrelevant: While the rioters and those inciting them routinely insult Christianity, Judaism, and other religions, they demand that no one be allowed to denigrate Islam or its prophet. It is a staggering double standard, and too many in the West seem willing to go along with it. Witness the editorials in US newspapers this week scolding the pope for his speech. Recall the State Department's condemnation of the Danish cartoons last winter.
Of course nobody's faith should be gratuitously affronted. But the real insult to Islam is not a line from a papal speech or a cartoon about Mohammed. It is the violence, terror, and bloodshed that Islamist fanatics unleash in the name of their religion -- and the unwillingness of most of the world's Muslims to say or do anything to stop them.
Here in Lalaland we used to give lighter sentences for cutting up women because it was normal in their culture, I kid you not. Thank god that was scratched, and no less then in the same decade that they realised the great leap forward wasn't the best thing that ever happened to China!
What does this article have to do with the topic at hand?
Originally Posted by L'Impresario:
What does this article have to do with the topic at hand?
The article discusses violence caused by a group of people that just so happen to have the same religious affiliation as the people discussed in the thread. It must be just some sort of unbelievable coincidence.What does this article have to do with the topic at hand?
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave:
The article discusses violence caused by a group of people that just so happen to have the same religious affiliation as the people discussed in the thread. It must be just some sort of unbelievable coincidence.
God I am going to have an accident The article discusses violence caused by a group of people that just so happen to have the same religious affiliation as the people discussed in the thread. It must be just some sort of unbelievable coincidence.
I see... so if I follow this line of thinking, the next article link should be about something.
... maybe i mised something but honour killings arnt anything to do with Islamic violence - a study in the uk reports the top 3 groups related in Honour killings (in order) Indian, Pakistani and African(prodominatly Nigerian) unless i missed something two of these groups arnt islamic.... honour killings are a throwback from the past, it has NOTHING to do with religeon at all - the cultures that practice it place great importance in family and when someone disobeys the faimly they dishonour them all - its stupid but its not religous....
---> what he said
honour killings rarely have anything to do with Islam, to put the two together is really unfair
this thread is about honour killings- you can start a seperate post for criticising muslims
honour killings rarely have anything to do with Islam, to put the two together is really unfair
this thread is about honour killings- you can start a seperate post for criticising muslims
Originally Posted by Scurvy:
you can start a seperate post for criticising muslims
No I can't, I'll get another warning for that. you can start a seperate post for criticising muslims
Praise Allah
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave:
No I can't, I'll get another warning for that.
Praise Allah
No I can't, I'll get another warning for that.
Praise Allah
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