Hoplitai Spartiatai in EB

[Roderick Ponce Von Fontlebottom]

I know yall, the Eb team, are hesitant to add spartans to EB, because of the little know about them of the time. which is what ive gathered. However Im goin to add them in my self and was wandering if anybody could give me any accurate stats settings. Im definitley only giving them one hitpoint, but mainly good skill and armor. Were the Spartans still well trained at the time of EB. Would they be equal to Gaesetai in defense skill, and attack, or if not who should I compare them to.

[Simmons]

Its not that EB doesn't want to add them they simply where not ready when 0.7.4 came out I think they are one of the new units in 0.8 but I don't know it for a fact I'm not especially interested in them I will read the desc when I conquer southern Greece which may take awhile coming from Baktra!

[abou]

Or, you know, you could just do a custom battle.

[Simmons]

Or, you know, you could just do a custom battle.

I'm aware of that I was saying I would prefer to discover these things in game in this way.

[abou]

Well, you are talking to a guy who has stopped dotting his "Is".

[Roderick Ponce Von Fontlebottom]

So there ar already Spartan hoplites available for custom battles? I never saw any, I saw the texture in the models_battle, but there is no text file? What would be good "EB level" statsto give my spartans.

[vizigothe]

I think they meant in v.08. That instead of conqueoring all the land from Bactria to Sparta you could play a custom battle.

[Moros]

spartans will be 0.8. But they won't exactly be gaesatae tough.

[NeoSpartan]

spartans will be 0.8. But they won't exactly be gaesatae tough.

[Krusader]

Ironic that an hour I ago I saw that the Spartiatai were added to the internal build and working.

Shame I can't post a screenshot of them...

[abou]

This unit is, without a doubt, the most anticipated on the boards. So mysterious.

[paullus]

Ironic that an hour I ago I saw that the Spartiatai were added to the internal build and working.

Shame I can't post a screenshot of them...

punk.

buts its good to know that they'll be in for .8...after all, they are pretty much the most anticipated unit of the next build.

[Roderick Ponce Von Fontlebottom]

Ah ok, well I can wait for .08, however could someone please give me a god estimate for Spartiatai stats?

[fallen851]

Well any estimate depends on what system the EB team uses. Since the EB team is likely to at the very least changing the way they calculate charges, who knows. I also think QM gave up the job of unit balancing, so a new person could mean a new system.

And now I'm about to throw myself in a massive pit of fire (FLAME ON!), and say that the system the EB team uses is very unpredictable, in fact I hate it. I think elite units are too good, calvary not realistic and blah blah blah, which is why I'm making my own system, that will be entirely unique, realistic, and predictable, and battles will focus less on how many elite units you have on the battlefield, and more on tactics.

But just to try to answer your question, here is what I would expect:

stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 19, 9, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.17
stat_pri_attr spear, long_pike
stat_sec 15, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 16, 7, 8, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground 2, 0, -2, 0
stat_mental 18, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 2942, 741, 50, 80, 2942

[Simmons]

And now I'm about to throw myself in a massive pit of fire (FLAME ON!), and say that the system the EB team uses is very unpredictable, in fact I hate it. I think elite units are too good, calvary not realistic and blah blah blah, which is why I'm making my own system, that will be entirely unique, realistic, and predictable, and battles will focus less on how many elite units you have on the battlefield, and more on tactics.

Thats strange I usually win my battles with Pantodapoi Phalangitai and Peltastai the only units I have that could be called elites are the Generals Bodyguard and the two units of Pezhetairoi that are usually held in reserve (It can be hard to retrain them) athough sometimes when I'm feeling really rich I might have some Thorakitai.

But then I play hard battle difficulty maybe thats the real issue here I don't know.

[abou]

fallen851, remember that the charge bug causes a lot of problems for the mod. Although, I do think that something needs to be done to keep the AI from pumping out elite unit after elite unit simply because it has the money to do so... but that is probably a hardcoded issue.

[Olaf The Great]

If you guys are confused what they should look like, make them have a patch for.
1:Super fancy spartans.
2:Plain spartans.

[Musopticon?]

It's great that while 1.5 introduces spear push bug(this is being taken care off inteam) and phalanx-eating shieldwall it fixes charging finally.

[Tanit]

It's great that while 1.5 introduces spear push bug(this is being taken care off inteam) and phalanx-eating shieldwall it fixes charging finally.

The shieldwall ability will be in .8? Will swimming be there too?

[Moros]

I don't believe it will. Not usre, but I tought it wasn't. I believe we'll use the macedonian phalanx (rtw's one) and that one used by the Rycalwre, soldurii,...
No shieldwall as far as I know. No swimming either.

[Musopticon?]

Did I write 0.8?

I meant the 1.5 patch in general.

[Krusader]

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Oh my! What might that be?

[Wardo]

I know! I know! Pick me!

It's the Bartix Red-Cloth-Tailed Shieldman!

[iberus_generalis]

this new model is entirely EB or is it made from someone outside the team? that shield and the glimpses makes me think of ATG's Spartans....

[Musopticon?]

Mmmm...spartans....


Oh, almost 100 posts!

[CountArach]

*Waits for people to comment on the Red Cloak...*

[fallen851]

*rants about the red cloak!*

[Trithemius]

*Waits for people to comment on the Red Cloak...*

Indeed! Although "comment" is not what I am expecting.

[Musopticon?]

Is that a greave I'm seeing under the shield? Well, nevermind that now it looks like a great piece of work.

So, are you going to do several types of spartans? Mercs, city hoplites, maybe hellenistic phalanx-fighting hoplites?