Guess the unit names! (Portugal screen shot)

[econ21]

Anyone want to guess identity of the units in this screenshot of the Portugese unit selection from the custom battle?



Here's my guess:


Most of the above are just guesses. I've put in bold the ones I'm pretty confident in. I'm particularly unsure about the plethora of knights and how they differ. Plus (1,8) looks like a sword and buckler unit but is the size of a cavalry unit so I am thinking he may be a dismounted cavalryman of some sort (conquistador?).

My guesses are pretty generic - anyone got knowledge of likely unique Portugese units?

EDIT: I'll edit the table where I agree with a suggestion.

PS: I have a feeling the units are arranged in a particular order, vis:

Infantry
Dismounted cav
Missiles
Cavalry
Missile cav

That, plus the size issue, is why I'm not convinced (1,8) is a sword & buckler (although it sure as heck resembles one); but I agree (2,8) is a handgunner.

BTW, Anyone want to try to decipher the corresponding Turkish screenshot?

[Maizel]

I think the first one in collum 8 isnt a dismounted something

Seem like a late type of men at arms

Possibly the sword+ buckler dudes

[Spino]

I dunno, Row 2, Column 8 looks more like an Armored Arquebusier than an Armored Pikeman. The weapon he's holding looks way too thick to be a pike and looks exactly the same as the weapon the normal Arquebusier is holding. Methinks Armored Pikemen will only be buildable by select few factions (i.e. HRE) or whomever owns Switzerland.

[Brutus]

Row 3, column 2 looks more like a musketeer. At least, it doesn't seem like a crossbow he's holding.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I think one of the heavy cavalrymen could be either a Knight of Christ or Knight of Aviz.

[ChewieTobbacca]

Yeah, 3,2 doesn't really look like a crossbow

[Nathanael]

It's hard to tell about 3,2, it could be an arbalest from the side or it could be some kind of firearm. It looks like it's probably pretty high up, is there any famous Portugeuse crossbow-wielding unit?

And 3,1 is probably not musketeer, even though you're pretty sure. You're missing the name on the top of the page, the unit that is highlighted (although the mouse is strangely missing) - Portuguese Arquebusiers. So that's probably what 3,1 is.

And someone should definitely start one of these for the Turks who knows how to make that table.

[Afonso I of Portugal]

I think one of the heavy cavalrymen could be either a Knight of Christ or Knight of Aviz.

The knight with a blue?/green? cross on the 8 column, row 3 is a knight Avis, because if it was a knight Templar/Christ, the cross should be red like the knight Santiago.

There are muslim warriors as well. row 1, column 8 is somekind of moorish fighter, because the round shield and the muslim like sword. On the row 2, column 5 there's a moorish skirmisher. On the row 1, column 5 i think it is an Almughavar (or Almograve) because the light equipment spear and shield.

The other units are armored arquebusiers and armored pikemen like you said.

I noticed there is a lot of heavy cavalry and lack of light. However, Portuguese, Castilian-Leonese and Aragonese armies did use the Ginetes - light cavalry of muslim origin. They also use mounted almughavars.

[SirGrotius]

The graphics look so good I can't even focus on the unit types.

[econ21]

The knight with a blue?/green? cross on the 8 column, row 3 is a knight Avis...

Yes, the shield is right but I am pretty sure about this one as the unit size is wrong. There has to be an early and late general, and there are only two size 16 knights.

Normal cavalry - including dismounted variants - are size 32.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I think the butterfly shaped shield man is an almograve. They were frontier troops so if they are armed in the moorish fashion that would be fine. I don't think the row 1,8 isn't a conquistador probably just a Sword and Buckler. Row 1, third in is probably a Man at arms. The last two cav units in the last row i can't make out. The last one looks like it has a moorish shield so perhaps it is a mounted almograve or a ginette. Maybe the unit earlier mentioned with such a shield is a dismounted ginette

[Ituralde]

Ahh.. my bad, I confused the Knights Santiago with the Hospitalier Knights, them being black and white. Sorry for that!

[Braden]

Lets have a stab at this, beginning top row working left to right:

Row 1: Peasant – Almughavar – Handgunner – Armoured Pike – Order Footmen – Urban Militia – Dismounted Early Knight – Dismounted Sergeants

(I have opted for “Handgunner” as it just looks like them. Have gone for “dismounted” type units due to the small size of the units – if it was a dedicated infantry unit it would be next to useless)

Row 2: Chivalric foot knights – Bulgarian Brigands (or equiv) – Crossbow – Arbalesters – Armoured Javelin – Pavise Crossbow – Jobbagy or Spanish Javelinman – Arquebusier

Row 3: Musketeer – Armoured Arbalesters? –


Then it starts getting into various types of Knights and I’m not as historically minded as most. I will say though that there are several units here that will be completely new but may “look” like familiar units from the old Medieval game.

[The Wizard]

Row 1, Column 8 -- Sword-and-bucklermen. Check the recent Sicilian preview on IGN for more.

[econ21]

Row 1, Column 8 -- Sword-and-bucklermen. Check the recent Sicilian preview on IGN for more.

Right uniform - wrong unit size; it's the size for dismounted cav.

I am pretty sure sword and buckler men are (1,3): right unit size, same wrinkly buckler and has padded armour, not cuirass.

[The Wizard]

Nope -- lacking color, as well as the Spanish helmet and steel shield. Check the Sicily preview. Either IGN's wrong or I need some serious glasses.

[Nathanael]

I still say 3,1 is an arquebus, because we know that's a unit and 3,2's weapon is too short and 2,8's is too fat. Because of length, I want to say 3,2 is a crossbow turned sideways, but it's really hard to tell even in the original shot. Could possibly be a shorter firearm, but it's a tough call either way.