Guess the unit names! (Portugal screen shot)

**The Blind King of Bohemia** · 09-26-2006, 21:58

I think one of the heavy cavalrymen could be either a Knight of Christ or Knight of Aviz.

**ChewieTobbacca** · 09-26-2006, 22:40

Yeah, 3,2 doesn't really look like a crossbow

**Nathanael** · 09-26-2006, 23:44

It's hard to tell about 3,2, it could be an arbalest from the side or it could be some kind of firearm. It looks like it's probably pretty high up, is there any famous Portugeuse crossbow-wielding unit?

And 3,1 is probably not musketeer, even though you're pretty sure. You're missing the name on the top of the page, the unit that is highlighted (although the mouse is strangely missing) - Portuguese Arquebusiers. So that's probably what 3,1 is.

And someone should definitely start one of these for the Turks who knows how to make that table.

**econ21** · 09-27-2006, 00:23

Good points about the gunpowder troops. I know (3,1) is a musketeer for sure, as the unit is labelled in one of the other screenshots from the Portugese website. (2,8) and (3,3) may be a handgunner and an arquebusier, although which is which, I don't know. The MTW strategy guide handgunner had a shorter gun, which is why I am assigning them as I do.

**Furious Mental** · 09-27-2006, 04:33

I don't think that one labelled a conquistador is a conquistador. In the screens the conquistadors only wear a cuirass and morion while that guy is fully armoured.

**econ21** · 09-27-2006, 09:23

The conquistador is in one of the menu screenshots of a Spain vs Aztec custom battle.

**Ituralde** · 09-27-2006, 10:18

Well this looks like fun, seems you are spot on most of the time.

Row 4,1 looks like a Knight Templar to me, with all the red cross on white. Knights Santiago had Black/White as their colours if I remember correctly, wich would make Row 3,8 a likely candidate if it weren't for the unit size.

The unknown skirmisher in Row 2,5 could very well be an unmounted Jinete, they have the same strangely shaped shield as the Jinetes had in the 3d Preview over at the com. This would also make the units on the left hand, that are already selected Jinetes. The units under the wirting I really cant discern so I can't say anything about them.

Cheers!

Ituralde

**Afonso I of Portugal** · 09-28-2006, 01:12

Originally Posted by The Blind King of Bohemia

I think one of the heavy cavalrymen could be either a Knight of Christ or Knight of Aviz.

The knight with a blue?/green? cross on the 8 column, row 3 is a knight Avis, because if it was a knight Templar/Christ, the cross should be red like the knight Santiago.

There are muslim warriors as well. row 1, column 8 is somekind of moorish fighter, because the round shield and the muslim like sword. On the row 2, column 5 there's a moorish skirmisher. On the row 1, column 5 i think it is an Almughavar (or Almograve) because the light equipment spear and shield.

The other units are armored arquebusiers and armored pikemen like you said.

I noticed there is a lot of heavy cavalry and lack of light. However, Portuguese, Castilian-Leonese and Aragonese armies did use the Ginetes - light cavalry of muslim origin. They also use mounted almughavars.

**SirGrotius** · 09-28-2006, 01:54

The graphics look so good I can't even focus on the unit types.

**econ21** · 09-28-2006, 15:24

Originally Posted by King_Of_Portugal_2

The knight with a blue?/green? cross on the 8 column, row 3 is a knight Avis...

Yes, the shield is right but I am pretty sure about this one as the unit size is wrong. There has to be an early and late general, and there are only two size 16 knights.

Normal cavalry - including dismounted variants - are size 32.