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    Question Ottoman infantry

    Quote Originally Posted by econ21
    There's a menu screenshot of the Turkish faction with a halberd wielding soldier labelled as Ottoman infantry. So I think in this version, Ottoman infantry lose their bows and pick up the halberd.
    Weird. Janissary used some kind of polearms called jilyt, not halberd. And classical Ottoman infantry used Persian sabre.

    Quote Originally Posted by econ21
    The 24 man unit is mysterious - it is too small even to be dismounted cavalry. I think it must be some elite type unit - like VI berserkers, RTW arcani or gladiators etc. ie so powerful it only needs to be half the strength of a regular infantry unit. Maybe with 2 hit points?
    No HP 2. Both saw on example of Polish Guard. Only better statistics.
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    I think they may be some kind of battlefield assassin unit, like the Hashishin.

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    Default Re: Guess the unit names II (Turk screenshot)

    Col1/Row2 is not Dismounted Sipahi. Sipahi uses bow not javelin.

    Col5/Row1 can be Janissary infantry. It can't be Ottoman infantry.
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    Instead of the feudal system, the Turks had the timar system. See my essay on it here:

    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=69648

    In the timar system there were no slaves, and instead there were sipahis. So there shouldn't really be a slave unit. On the other hand, the Ottomans used units of men, generally crazy people, freaks, or emigrating Turks (ottomans did not equal Turks.) in front lines to break the enemy formations before the main, trained forces attacked.

    Turks were originally emigrating people, and after the establishment of the Ottoman government, the ones that continued the emigrating culture possessed a lot of problems for the Ottomans. Therefore, the government would usually just move them around for their benefit, or just use the ones that made trouble in battles. I am not 100% sure on which periods this was present in the Empire, but it did exist at some point.

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    Thumbs up What I found?

    Pattern is: Light Infantry – Spear/Pike Infantry – Heavy Infantry – Missile Infantry – Heavy Cavalry – Missile Cavalry – Artillery

    Row 1: Peasant, ?, ?, Saracen Infantry (?), Janissary Infantry (?), Spearman (?), Ottoman Infantry, Ghazi (?).
    Row 2: ?, Peasant Archer, ?, Turcoman Foot Soldier, Futuwwa, Naptha Thrower, ?, Janissary Archer.
    Row 3: Janissary Musketeer, Armenian Heavy Cavalry or Ghulam Cavalry (?), Early General Bodyguard, Khwarazmian Cavalry (?), Late General Bodyguard, Horse Archer, Turcoman Horse Archer and Sipahi of the Porte.
    Row 4: Ballista, Bombard, Catapult, Grand Bombard, Trebuchet, Canon and Basilisk (?).


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    In col7/row1 is Ottoman Infantry. Yes, it’s weird and has nothing with history but it seems that is not for CA. Look on this new Polish screenshot when you choose Turks to play with them – Ottoman Infantry. http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/camp_turk.JPG
    Weird, but it’s true.

    In col8/row1 can be Ghazi. They are only fanatics for Turks because of number. Again, it’s not historical because that’s how looked Ottoman infantry. Months ago, in many screenshots (Danes vs. Turks) this unit was mainly force for Turks. I don’t have better explanation right now…
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    Default Re: Guess the unit names II (Turk screenshot)

    Upated first post in incorporate IGN faction preview information.

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    Default Re: Guess the unit names II (Turk screenshot)

    I think they're Ottoman Infantry and check this picture. It's old but could be accurate.



    And take a look at IGN's phrase about them:

    Ottoman Infantry
    Ottoman Infantry are hardy soldiers, well armed and well armoured, they fight with both bows and swords, allowing them to pepper the enemy with arrows and then move into melee to finish them off. Their armour, and training in melee, also means that this unit can hold its ground against enemy units unlike most other missile units.
    Last edited by Little Legioner; 10-05-2006 at 21:43.


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