NIE Report: Victory in Iraq would curb spread of Jihadism

[Ironside]

i don't hate bush.
I just think victory in Iraq is a very vague concept. To win you need victory conditions, right? I would like to know what the victory conditions are. Then I measure progress more clearly. If I saw that progress (in relation to goals) was being made then I would have a optimistic glass as well ;-)

It's something about the lines of one Iraq (no fractionation), that is stable with a democratic elected leader (that is an ally to the US).

In reality though, we did invade Iraq, so our best strategy would be to stay and finish the job. I think we will win. We are superior in technology, finance, and man power. If the people of our country can stomach a few thousand more casualities of war, we will obtain victory.

Obtain yeah, but maintain it within your stated goals? A US puppet ruling with an iron fist would be quite ironic, especially if it ends up with Barbara Bush starting Iraqi war III to remove him.

[Pannonian]

(Victory is) something about the lines of one Iraq (no fractionation), that is stable with a democratic elected leader (that is an ally to the US).

1. A stable Iraq.
2. A democratically elected government.
3. An Iraq friendly to the US.

Pick 2 out of 3.

Obtain yeah, but maintain it within your stated goals? A US puppet ruling with an iron fist would be quite ironic, especially if it ends up with Barbara Bush starting Iraqi war III to remove him.

Many of us were predicting either another pro-western puppet dictator or an anarchy before all this started.

[Ice]

It's something about the lines of one Iraq (no fractionation), that is stable with a democratic elected leader (that is an ally to the US).



Obtain yeah, but maintain it within your stated goals? A US puppet ruling with an iron fist would be quite ironic, especially if it ends up with Barbara Bush starting Iraqi war III to remove him.

Yes, it's possible. Like I said though, a lot more has to be done.

[Ironside]

Yes, it's possible. Like I said though, a lot more has to be done.

The problem is that USA's policies so so horrendously locked. The Iraqi war has never been seen as a pure war on terror, but more as an extreme extension of US politics and that form day 1.

Bush for example has to either admit that he was wrong and try to make a severe re-direction or pray for a miracle. And he's currently prying (aka personal pride is bigger than victory).
And this extends to both parties too, most members there are more interested in the votes than to say mission acomplished and be right. And so are most of the public.

[GoreBag]

I don't think 'winning' in Iraq will alleviate any terrorist threat.

[yesdachi]

I don't think 'winning' in Iraq will alleviate any terrorist threat.

To who? It has already eliminated some terrorist threats.

[Pannonian]

To who? It has already eliminated some terrorist threats.

Pity your poor shafted allies who are at greatly increased risk thanks to our involvement in Iraq. We should pull an FDR and charge the US for our services in Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Xiahou]

Anyone see the report where the leader of al-qaeda in Iraq admits that over 4000 foreign fighters have been killed in Iraq? He then went on to call for more recruits, saying that American bases in Iraq would be a good place for scientists to further their knowledge by testing dirty bombs and biological weapons.

[Redleg]

Pity your poor shafted allies who are at greatly increased risk thanks to our involvement in Iraq. We should pull an FDR and charge the US for our services in Afghanistan and Iraq.

You might want to look into that. You might just surprise yourself. Not to long ago to convince the British to buy a certain weapon system the United States agreed to buy a weapon system from the UK.

So its not as far fetched as you might think

[Divinus Arma]

Pity your poor shafted allies who are at greatly increased risk thanks to our involvement in Iraq. We should pull an FDR and charge the US for our services in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Reminds me of Monty Pthon and the Holy Grail.

"Run Away! Run Away!"

[Cha]

I agree that the job of rebuilding Iraq and making the country back into a safer place should be done before leaving. Now that no WMDs are found in Iraq, that leaves us with regime change. Leaving at this moment wouldn't be right after the mistake that has been done.

What surprises me is that there are very little news about terrorists getting caught. I know that the leaders have been caught, but I rarely see the people who work under them getting caught. There are many videos of hostages but the abductors never get caught. Imagine if this was in America or in Britain. I think terrorism (of a kind that didn't exist in Iraq before the war) wouldn't be as rampant as they are now if terrorists didn't feel that they could get away with what they are doing. After the bombings in America and Britain, investigators identified the terrorists quickly (albeit it would be nice if they could do that before the bombings, which is difficult to do). I don't know why we don't see any of this in Iraq.

Maybe there are investigators in Iraq, and the terrorists do get caught but don't appear in the news. I know that there are footages of car bombings, which could be used as clues to find anyone else involved in it. If there were more surveillance cameras in Iraq like there are in America or Britain, I think identifying the terrorists would be easier. Luckily, there are Iraqis who have reported possible terrorist hideouts in their area.

[yesdachi]

Cha, there is lots of things we should see but don’t from the mainstream media. Kind of disappointing but completely predictable.