Mafia IV: Night of the Living Mafia [Concluded]

[King Henry V]

That was the first round. You didn't vote in the tiebreaker.

No worries, though. This god is more benevolent than those in other games...

Pray excuse me, as I am but a simple novice with no experience in previous mafia games. I should follow things more regularly.

Sasaki is acting vway too suspiciously. He loves to point out why others are the mafia, creating a bandwagon, then acts annoyed that others are following his lead.

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

[Cowhead418]

I really think we are making a big mistake voting for Sasaki here. I've noticed a trend in the past few mafia games where the most active posters often receive the most suspicion. But the irony of it all is that the mafia tend to not be active, because the less they put out there the less chance there is of them giving out a valuable clue or attracting attention. I think we should look carefully at who was bandwagoning the first few rounds because they are more likely to be in the mafia. However, I do agree that we must get rid of either Ice or Disco because we can't take the chance. Vote: Discovery1

[Dutch_guy]

That does sound reasonable Cowhead, but then again the mafia may just allow the survivor (ie Ice or Disco) to live - to put suspicion on them. Why waste a kill on an already suspicious character ? Therefore, I actually suspect at least one of them to survive for quite some time, unless of course we lynch them both.

Anyhow, I'm going with the flow on this one. It does seem like a good strategy to lynch either Discovery or Ice. I'm going to vote Discovery.

[Silver Rusher]

I really think we are making a big mistake voting for Sasaki here. I've noticed a trend in the past few mafia games where the most active posters often receive the most suspicion. But the irony of it all is that the mafia tend to not be active, because the less they put out there the less chance there is of them giving out a valuable clue or attracting attention.

In Mini-Mafia, Crazed Rabbit (mafia) was active, telling the people to talk a lot about who they should execute. In The Godfather, both Sasaki Kojiro and GeneralHankerchief were active, directing the peoples votes whereever they wanted. In Sasaki's mafia, Sigurd (mafia) was making huuuge posts when the game was half dead. Orb (thing) also was very active towards the end of UltraWar's The Thing game.

And as for receiving the most suspicion, Crazed Rabbit attracted no suspicion, neither did Sasaki (except a bit from BKS towards the end). GH, Orb and Sigurd got some but not enough to lynch. The people is these games followed your misconception too, and where did it get them? Exactly.

I have some interesting evidence which the townspeople of this game may be interested to see, on the other hand, which may change their general concensus as to who the mafia really is/isn't.

[Dutch_guy]

I have some interesting evidence which the townspeople of this game may be interested to see, on the other hand, which may change their general concensus as to who the mafia really is/isn't.

Okay, I think we'd like to know.

[Silver Rusher]

After the next kills are posted, Dg. Just wait.

[Reenk Roink]

Reenkmaestro is not able to debase himself to the abject levels of fingerpointing.

He abstains, courteously...

Edit: It is interesting that Silver Rusher and Dutch_guy have been private messaging quite a bit. I can vouch that Silver has private messaged at least twice in the past 10 minutes, and Dutch_guy at least once.

This is not enough by any stretch to kick two members out of the Fan Club. It is however, enough to raise an eyebrow, and inquire further.

I do beseech the private messagers: why not make things public?

[Ice]

That wasn't what I said. We had to get rid of one of you, for the reasons Sasaki outlined, and I mentally flipped a coin. Sorry.

Then kill Discovery1. I shouldn't be punished for finally standing up for myself. I mean the guy votes for me in games im not even playing. Get rid of him!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

lolz.

It's interesting to see who voted me, and your reasons for doing so. Some of you are showing a remarkably poor understanding of the game. Spreading discord and disunity is good for the town. As I said before, take a look at the godfather (where I only made a couple posts per turn which apparently meets Silvers criteria for very active). The town was united. There was no discord. The town failed. You never once brought suspicion on Cowhead or Gorebag who were so obviously suspicious. You were content to be quiet. Lots of posting is what this game needs, and in my experience the only way to do that is accuse people. Accusing someone is almost gauranteed to get a response.

Also this is so ironic I just have to point it out:

Sasaki just said that he voted for Csar "in jest". If that's a good reason for voting for someone, then we'll never get the right person.

Vote:Sasaki

Consider this before you vote for me:

What are the odds, given last game, that the detective investigated me? If he did and got a guilty result you'll find out sooner or later.

[Zalmoxis]

lolz.

It's interesting to see who voted me, and your reasons for doing so. Some of you are showing a remarkably poor understanding of the game. Spreading discord and disunity is good for the town. As I said before, take a look at the godfather (where I only made a couple posts per turn which apparently meets Silvers criteria for very active). The town was united. There was no discord. The town failed. You never once brought suspicion on Cowhead or Gorebag who were so obviously suspicious. You were content to be quiet. Lots of posting is what this game needs, and in my experience the only way to do that is accuse people. Accusing someone is almost gauranteed to get a response.

Also this is so ironic I just have to point it out:


Consider this before you vote for me:

What are the odds, given last game, that the detective investigated me? If he did and got a guilty result you'll find out sooner or later.

Alright, I'll trust you, considering what Cowhead said, maybe it's better to wait several rounds before deciding who might be guilty.
Unvote: Sasaki
I abstain for now.

[Silver Rusher]

(where I only made a couple posts per turn which apparently meets Silvers criteria for very active)

Top 5 posters in The Godfather:

1. Silver Rusher 66
2. GeneralHankerchief 28
3. Sasaki Kojiro 26
4. Drisos 22
5. doc_bean 19

By this game's standards, not very active at all. By my game's standards, very active indeed. It's a shame people didn't take so much of an interest, maybe they take more next time.

[doc_bean]

Vote: Leet Eriksson

For supporting the Ice-Disco fight, there were othersq doing the same, put that's the way the dice rolls...

[Sigurd]

The only real threat to the mafia is the detective. Right now the main objective for the mafia is to find and get rid of the detective. The real detective would probably be a little reluctant to participate as he would not want to lynch the innocent. This might be why Myrdraal and EMFM were targeted.

Considering GH making the write-ups based on the mafia private messaging just the method, we will not get any help there. This leaves only what the mafia might be posting during the day. Staying silent leaves no clues.
What have you to say, The Spartan?

Vote:The Spartan

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Top 5 posters in The Godfather:

1. Silver Rusher 66
2. GeneralHankerchief 28
3. Sasaki Kojiro 26
4. Drisos 22
5. doc_bean 19

By this game's standards, not very active at all. By my game's standards, very active indeed. It's a shame people didn't take so much of an interest, maybe they take more next time.

Drisos and doc are almost as active as the mafia and cowhead and gorebag aren't on the list. This is actually evidence against frequent posting meaning mafia.

Also, I'm very active by default. Don't you remember Mafia III?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The only real threat to the mafia is the detective. Right now the main objective for the mafia is to find and get rid of the detective. The real detective would probably be a little reluctant to participate as he would not want to lynch the innocent. This might be why Myrdraal and EMFM were targeted.

Considering GH making the write-ups based on the mafia private messaging just the method, we will not get any help there. This leaves only what the mafia might be posting during the day. Staying silent leaves no clues.
What have you to say, The Spartan?

Vote:The Spartan

Ah, Sigurd Sigurd Sigurd. Now you are making me suspect you. Your second post this game (not counting the deleted one).

Here's your first post.

In both of these posts you make a plausible sounding argument and vote someone who hasn't been under suspicion. This seems remarkably like deliberate non-bandwagoning. It seems like you are acting. You remain quiet while not lurking, you vote without bandwagoning in the slightest, you provide carefully constructed reasons so that no one can say you are voting without reason.

Suspicious.

[Leet Eriksson]

Vote: Leet Eriksson

For supporting the Ice-Disco fight, there were othersq doing the same, put that's the way the dice rolls...

The Disco Party shall fight on.

LONG LIVE DISCO

When we are done , either by dying or defeating the ice party, we shall DISCO

[Silver Rusher]

Drisos and doc are almost as active as the mafia and cowhead and gorebag aren't on the list. This is actually evidence against frequent posting meaning mafia.

Also, I'm very active by default. Don't you remember Mafia III?

Well, with 4 mafiosi it is unnecessary for all to be active, especially when (as you put it yourself) there is no discord.

[Drisos]

Also, I'm very active by default. Don't you remember Mafia III?

That's true. Sasaki has been this active in all games - no matter his role. I'm pretty sure the detective (if he lasts a few turns at least) investigated him. (and me, btw) If sasaki stays alive and no detective steps up we can always lynch him in the endgame. right now, he's too precious doing 'detective work' for the townspeople.

Btw, I'm starting to feel weird towards Leet Eriksson... like others said: why are you so intrested in Ice and Disco... last game sasaki was 'mafia' and continuously was 'intrested' in people resulting in a lot of bandwagoning and innocent lynching.

[Sigurd]

Ah, Sigurd Sigurd Sigurd. Now you are making me suspect you. Your second post this game (not counting the deleted one).

In both of these posts you make a plausible sounding argument and vote someone who hasn't been under suspicion. This seems remarkably like deliberate non-bandwagoning. It seems like you are acting. You remain quiet while not lurking, you vote without bandwagoning in the slightest, you provide carefully constructed reasons so that no one can say you are voting without reason.

Suspicious.

Ah, but I am merely trying to add to what people have already said here. If this is suspicious, so be it.
What we should avoid at all cost in this game is players not participating in the discussion. I believe my success in your game was to kill off the usual good investigators. If all participate it would be difficult for the mafia to win.
Therefore; the main objective for us townies should be to get all active.

The post I deleted: In a moment of not thinking I wanted to test out a new signature.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ah, but I am merely trying to add to what people have already said here. If this is suspicious, so be it.
What we should avoid at all cost in this game is players not participating in the discussion. I believe my success in your game was to kill off the usual good investigators. If all participate it would be difficult for the mafia to win.
Therefore; the main objective for us townies should be to get all active.

And how have you been encouraging discussion?

[doc_bean]

Ah, Sigurd Sigurd Sigurd. Now you are making me suspect you. Your second post this game (not counting the deleted one).

Here's your first post.

In both of these posts you make a plausible sounding argument and vote someone who hasn't been under suspicion. This seems remarkably like deliberate non-bandwagoning. It seems like you are acting. You remain quiet while not lurking, you vote without bandwagoning in the slightest, you provide carefully constructed reasons so that no one can say you are voting without reason.

Suspicious.

Now, he's doing exactly like you said you wanted people to act, you think that is suspicious ? You're contradicting yourself.

Suspicious

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Now, he's doing exactly like you said you wanted people to act, you think that is suspicious ? You're contradicting yourself.

Suspicious

Nooooo I said it seems like he's pretending to act like a townie should act, which is something a mafioso would do.

[Lord Winter]

It's interesting to see who voted me, and your reasons for doing so. Some of you are showing a remarkably poor understanding of the game. Spreading discord and disunity is good for the town. As I said before, take a look at the godfather (where I only made a couple posts per turn which apparently meets Silvers criteria for very active). The town was united. There was no discord. The town failed. You never once brought suspicion on Cowhead or Gorebag who were so obviously suspicious. You were content to be quiet. Lots of posting is what this game needs, and in my experience the only way to do that is accuse people. Accusing someone is almost gauranteed to get a response.

I'll give you another chance. I'm still suspicious but you could be useful for the town latter.

On the other hand I agree lets kill off the feud.

Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Discovery1

[Csargo]

I'll give you another chance. I'm still suspicious but you could be useful for the town latter.

On the other hand I agree lets kill off the feud.

Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Discovery1

Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Disco

Like DoH said we need to get rid of the feud. It's the perfect cover for one of the mafioso.

[GeneralHankerchief]

What had happened to cause such a feud in the Frontroom? Chief of Police Beirut wondered if the Kingdom of Peace and Love wasn't so peaceful and loving after all. First people start getting killed off every day and now a feud threatens to rip the place apart. Over half the votes cast were for the main participants of the feud, discovery1 and Ice.

Beirut braced himself for the reaction when he read who was to be executed.

"Ok, you have decided that... Disco is guilty."

Half the crowd cheered. Half the crowd booed. Disco's eyes shot daggers at Ice as he was dragged to the execution platform. Ice, victorious, just smirked. As Disco reached the platform, he began to speak.

"Okay, you know what, I may die, but I WILL HAVE MY VENGEANCE! Because Ice, and all those people who voted with him, will soon feel the wrath of the CHIEF! And at the end of the day, Ann Arbor will be nuked and the Illini will reign supreme! And then you will all rue the day that you crossed Discovery1 and the Chief! Die Ice die Ice die Ice di-"

He was cut off as Beirut, annoyed, force-fed Disco the poison. Disco dropped mid-sentence.

Beirut turned back to the crowd. "Well gentlemen, that's it. Go home."

Here is the vote tally for Session 2:
discovery1: 7 (Ice, Sir Moody, Divine Wind, Cowhead418, Dutch_guy, Destroyer of Hope, Csar)
Ice: 4 (discovery1, Leet Eriksson, Big King Sanctaphrax, AggonyDuck)
Sasaki Kojiro: 3 (Crazed Rabbit, Ignoramus, King Henry V)
Leet Eriksson: 2 (doc_bean, UltraWar)
Ignoramus: 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Lemur)
The Spartan: 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Csar: 1 (Drisos)

Abstained: 2 (Zalmoxis, Reenk Roink)
Didn't vote: 5 (The Spartan, Orb, Masy, Kommodus, Byzantine Mercenary)

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Still alive:
Sasaki Kojiro
UltraWar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
doc_bean
Dutch_guy
The Spartan
Orb
Sir Moody
Csar
King Henry V
Ignoramus
Reenk Roink
Crazed Rabbit
Ice
Zalmoxis
Destroyer of Hope
Drisos
Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Divine Wind
Cowhead418
Kommodus
AggonyDuck
Lemur
Leet Eriksson
Byzantine Mercenary

Killed:
Silver Rusher
Tiberius
Evil Maniac From Mars
Myrddraal

Executed:
Kagemusha
discovery1

[Csargo]

Does anyone else find it strange that Spartan hasn't voted or posted since he joined? He is usually very active is he not? Just thought I would point that out.

[Leet Eriksson]

R.I.P Disco

WE SHALL CARRY ON THE ANTI-ICE CRUSADE!!

Here is an advance vote for the next day you punks:

ICE

[discovery1]

I don't suppose me agreeing to end the feud would have done any good would it?

[Sigurd]

And how have you been encouraging discussion?

Maybe I haven't been as active as I should, but I got Ultrawar talking didn't I?
Voting for someone usually get them talking. The Spartan seems to be taking some PT though.

[Ice]

I don't suppose me agreeing to end the feud would have done any good would it?

I'll accept a truce for next game.