Mafia IV: Night of the Living Mafia [Concluded]

Sorry Csar, but I think finally you're guilty.

Vote: Csar

Unvote: Leet Ericksson
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

The reason I'm changing my vote to Sasaki is because in the beginning he was really active and he kinda puttered out with the accusations and also because we all know how manipulative Sasaki can be. You've seen it before in the other Mafia games and in Silver's. That is what I base my vote on.

Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax

I Vote: Ice. This feud with Disco is great cover for being in the mafia.

It seems to make sense that the mafia would vote for people who abstained It normally indicates a player who is trying to be thoughtful and not kill innocent villagers-and thus someone who is unlikely to get bandwagoned, and must be removed more directly.

Oh please. Disco always votes for me, it's time for me to return the favor. This hardly pins me as a mafia.

Originally Posted by Ice

Oh please. Disco always votes for me, it's time for me to return the favor. This hardly pins me as a mafia.

It doesn't pin you as mafia, but in the current situation we'd never know if you were mafia because disco and you would keep voting for eachother, which also means the mafia if you weren't the mafia would keep you alive till the endgame and we'd be stuck with two people we have no read on with only 7 alive. Bad situation.

Originally Posted by Ignoramus

Sorry Csar, but I think finally you're guilty.

Vote: Csar

I was clearly jesting, whereas you sir are bandwagoning.

Unvote:Csar

Vote:Ignoramus

Jesting? You can't seem to make up your mind.

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
I was going to vote for Ignoramus for going straight at Csar, but Sasaki just seems to want to start trouble in the fairly early stages of voting.

Originally Posted by Ignoramus

Jesting? You can't seem to make up your mind.

He said the thread was slow so I voted him :p

You still haven't given a reason for your vote.

Originally Posted by Zalmoxis

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
I was going to vote for Ignoramus for going straight at Csar, but Sasaki just seems to want to start trouble in the fairly early stages of voting.

And this is a bad thing why? Are you saying you don't want trouble this early in voting? As in you want things to go smoothly and easily like they did in the Godfather where everyone was pleasant and agreeable and the town lynched an innocent every single turn?

Why on earth would you want that?

oh wait I can think of an explanation... Mafia! *points finger*

Vote: Sasaki

He's changing his vote left and right, and especially

I was clearly jesting, whereas you sir are bandwagoning.

Sorry, but it did not look at all like jest.

Crazed Rabbit

Originally Posted by Csar

Unvote: Leet Ericksson
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

The reason I'm changing my vote to Sasaki is because in the beginning he was really active and he kinda puttered out with the accusations and also because we all know how manipulative Sasaki can be. You've seen it before in the other Mafia games and in Silver's. That is what I base my vote on.

But Csar, how can you vote me for being manipulative like in other games when in 2/3 of the other games I was town? Surely being manipulative can't be tied to mafia behavior then?

Also, this is my 10th post since the kills were posted. Puttered out indeed!

Admit it, you only voted me because I voted you. You post quite a lot without saying much, trying to create the image of having a presence without putting yourself out there?

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Vote: Sasaki

He's changing his vote left and right, and especially


Sorry, but it did not look at all like jest.

Crazed Rabbit

Aha, jumping on the wagon again are we?

Your first post you agree with me about Drisos but don't want to "follow my lead".

2nd post you jump on the Destroyer of Hope wagon.

Then 2 inconsequential posts.

Now you jump on my wagon!

Wagon wagon wagon!

You haven't cited an original reason yet either.

Explain thyself!

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

But Csar, how can you vote me for being manipulative like in other games when in 2/3 of the other games I was town? Surely being manipulative can't be tied to mafia behavior then?

Also, this is my 10th post since the kills were posted. Puttered out indeed!

Admit it, you only voted me because I voted you. You post quite a lot without saying much, trying to create the image of having a presence without putting yourself out there?

Alright Sasaki I'll explain it better now. You being manipulative is a plus if you are a mafioso. I'm putting a big emphasis on if because you can't be positive of anything since it's only the 2 Round. It makes it easier for you too lead people to vote in favor of what you think. If you want proof that I have been suspicious of you since you first started posting your suspicions on Drisos you can ask some of the chat users even GH.

And as for puttered out that wasn't exactly what I meant. I meant that the information has gone down since the first posts you made about Drisos but that understandible. So I really shouldn't have put that sorry bout that Sasaki. That's all I have to say for now.

Oh and Ignoramus you are looking a little suspicious right now. You gave no reason for voting for me. Just because I said this thread is going a little slow today is not a good reason.

Originally Posted by Csar

Alright Sasaki I'll explain it better now. You being manipulative is a plus if you are a mafioso. I'm putting a big emphasis on if because you can't be positive of anything since it's only the 2 Round. It makes it easier for you too lead people to vote in favor of what you think. If you want proof that I have been suspicious of you since you first started posting your suspicions on Drisos you can ask some of the chat users even GH.

And as for puttered out that wasn't exactly what I meant. I meant that the information has gone down since the first posts you made about Drisos but that understandible. So I really shouldn't have put that sorry bout that Sasaki. That's all I have to say for now.

So your suspicious of me because of Silvers game where I was mafia? Don't you see it's a fallacy to say that because I was a succesful mafioso in that game you should suspect me this game? Is my behavior this game more like the Godfather or more like Mafia III? Don't you think if I was a mafioso I would have avoided starting the game by posting my suspicions of Drisos right away? Wouldn't that be a little obvious?

Who am I trying to lead? I unvoted the only wagon I started because I thought Drisos was innocent.

Originally Posted by Csar

Oh and Ignoramus you are looking a little suspicious right now. You gave no reason for voting for me. Just because I said this thread is going a little slow today is not a good reason.

I agree. You can see he's made nothing but bandwagon and short one liner posts the whole thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/searc...searchid=43308

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

So your suspicious of me because of Silvers game where I was mafia? Don't you see it's a fallacy to say that because I was a succesful mafioso in that game you should suspect me this game? Is my behavior this game more like the Godfather or more like Mafia III? Don't you think if I was a mafioso I would have avoided starting the game by posting my suspicions of Drisos right away? Wouldn't that be a little obvious?

Who am I trying to lead? I unvoted the only wagon I started because I thought Drisos was innocent.

I'm not basing it off the other games I'm just saying its a good trait to have if your a mafioso. Maybe it would be a little obvious to do it the first round but probably most people aren't even thinking about that now and then you can use that later to help your case.

You may have unvoted it but you still started it and that's all that matters.

Originally Posted by Csar

I'm not basing it off the other games I'm just saying its a good trait to have if your a mafioso. Maybe it would be a little obvious to do it the first round but probably most people aren't even thinking about that now and then you can use that later to help your case.

You may have unvoted it but you still started it and that's all that matters.

How many people have voted for Cowhead so far this game?

And no way dude. I accused Drisos, he convinced me of his innocence, I unvoted him. The townspeople are supposed to be searching for the mafia you know. If I hadn't unvoted him he'd have been lynched.

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

How many people have voted for Cowhead so far this game?

And no way dude. I accused Drisos, he convinced me of his innocence, I unvoted him. The townspeople are supposed to be searching for the mafia you know. If I hadn't unvoted him he'd have been lynched.

I don't see how that has anything to do with this.

Alright I agree with you there.

All I'm really trying to say is right now all we can go on is our suspicions since it's so early in the game or just not vote at all and that won't help anyone if you don't vote.

Heh, Csar, you and me together are like half this thread. Combine total of 25 posts since the kills were posted.

Where all you other people at?

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Heh, Csar, you and me together are like half this thread. Combine total of 25 posts since the kills were posted.

Where all you other people at?

Heh I was having fun I hadn't even noticed your a good opponent. I think they are having fun watching us go at it.

Well I don't have anything else to add except that CR you really gave no reason to vote for Sasaki except that he changed his vote.

Sorry for being quiet -- I always find it very hard to make sense of the early rounds of Mafia. People talk about "evidence," and they go on about who's acting suspicious, but I don't recall us ever nailing a mafioso in the first half of the game. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (I often am).

Was Ignoramus really bandwagoning? After a single vote? And is it really wise to vote out Sasaki? We've had a bad history of killing all of the frequent posters in the past.

In the absence of anything more substantive, I guess I'll Vote: Ignoramus. Even if he's innocent, he has a poor history of voting for innocents. Sort of the anti-Dutch-Guy.

Sowing discontent and disunity.

And some of you actually suspect Ignoramus above him? Bravo.

Sasski seems the most sucpious due to him acussing everyone. He jumped on Ignoramas for basicly no reason, other then the fact that he voted for Saskii. Would trying to pull attention away from your self be as sucpious as bandwagoning Saskii?

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

Vote: Csar

Admit it, you only voted me because I voted you. You post quite a lot without saying much, trying to create the image of having a presence without putting yourself out there?

Not intention of bandwagoning, but I just really agree to that. (As I said before, btw)

Originally Posted by Destroyer of Hope

Sasaki seems the most sucpious due to him acussing everyone. He jumped on Ignoramas for basicly no reason, other then the fact that he voted for Sasaki.

I corrected the misspelled sasaki

Anyway, Ig voted Csar. with few reasoning, and just after sasaki did. Sasaki voted for him because Ig was bandwagoning. Which is a good reason.

Sasaki just said that he voted for Csar "in jest". If that's a good reason for voting for someone, then we'll never get the right person.

Unvote: Csar
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax

I Vote: Ice. This feud with Disco is great cover for being in the mafia.

It seems to make sense that the mafia would vote for people who abstained It normally indicates a player who is trying to be thoughtful and not kill innocent villagers-and thus someone who is unlikely to get bandwagoned, and must be removed more directly.

We need to lynch either Discovery or Ice. Just for the simple fact that they will do this every round and its the perfect cover. To say that this is a waste of a vote is ridiculous, as they have exactly the same probability of being a mafia as everyone else.

On the toss of a coin.

Vote: Discovery

Vote: Ice

Got to get rid of one of them and Ice was the one who first came to my mind.

My, this game is going to take up a lot my time if it keeps going like this

No that that's a bad thing of course

Sasaki made a point of the fact that the undead could still post and that killing 'active' users would be a bad idea. However, people who were killed often lose interest in the game and post less, Silver Rusher is probably the only big exception to that rule. So i really don't have a clue as to why they killed the people they killed, perhaps a general dislike for lurkers ? Or fear that something the other people have posted would lead us to them ?


Okay: my current list of suspects

Ice & Disco : because one of them just needs killing
Sasaki: for being way to eager, although i do believe he's really just trying to make this a good game
Leef ericson: what's his interest in the Ice & Disco feud ?
Csar: he's been acting kind of funny, and is very defensive.

I have to look at this a little deeper, I'll return to the thread later to cast my vote, as I'm too unsure right now.

Originally Posted by Ice

Oh please. Disco always votes for me, it's time for me to return the favor. This hardly pins me as a mafia.

That wasn't what I said. We had to get rid of one of you, for the reasons Sasaki outlined, and I mentally flipped a coin. Sorry.

Originally Posted by doc_bean

My, this game is going to take up a lot my time if it keeps going like this

No that that's a bad thing of course

Sasaki made a point of the fact that the undead could still post and that killing 'active' users would be a bad idea. However, people who were killed often lose interest in the game and post less, Silver Rusher is probably the only big exception to that rule. So i really don't have a clue as to why they killed the people they killed, perhaps a general dislike for lurkers ? Or fear that something the other people have posted would lead us to them ?


Okay: my current list of suspects

Ice & Disco : because one of them just needs killing
Sasaki: for being way to eager, although i do believe he's really just trying to make this a good game
Leef ericson: what's his interest in the Ice & Disco feud ?
Csar: he's been acting kind of funny, and is very defensive.

I have to look at this a little deeper, I'll return to the thread later to cast my vote, as I'm too unsure right now.

You might want to add Kommodus to the list. He got in on the feud for I don't know why. He never went to UofM at Ann Arbor and the evidence he used against me last round seems a bit iffy. May be worth looking into.