Real-Life Hypocrisy

**GoreBag** · 10-02-2006, 20:08

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

The fact is this. The USofA lets millions of people legally immagrate. Its not like we shut them out. I dont millions of uneduacted povetry stricken people on my front lawn. Californias economy is already going into a tailspin becuase of this. I will be damned if TEXAS is to follow suit. Companies and illegals should be punished to the full extent. If you are a company hiring illegals we will shut you down FOREVER. Im sick of these people trying to cut corners and screwing good blue collar Americans over. That is the real tragedy of this everyone cares about the illegals but normal people get the shaft everyone wants to know whats going to happen with the poor little illegal its Incompatible language all of it. This country needs to wake up.

Oh, whatever. No one owes the US working class anything. Let them cut corners so long as they cover their tracks.

**Divinus Arma** · 10-02-2006, 20:17

Good for you that you would demand legal labor. HOWEVER, you are also in violation of your own principles because you did not terminate the contract once you realized that illegal labor was being used. We must not go half-way. Sure, it will be an inconvienence to fire this contractor and hire a new one. However, the cost and burden you will bear is less than the burden of compromising your integrity.

Fire them all immediately. And then consider taking the contractor to small claims court for breech of contract. Hopefully you got your "no illegals" in writing. No matter, a verbal agreement should hold up under the circumstances. Just make sure that you demand proof of the worker's legal right to work before you use the courts. Good insurance policy for you. Ask him to sign something stating that he has checked all of the papers of his workers and that he will provide copies upon request. You have a lot of options but your first priority is your integrity in this situiation. You should cease the contract until he can provide you proof of legality.

I am facing the same problem finding a landscaper.

**Spino** · 10-02-2006, 20:33

Lemur, just because this particular contractor is a big fan of Limbaugh doesn't mean he agrees with everything single thing Rush says or for that matter, tows the line regarding every single idea or core issue the Republican party supposedly stands for. Perhaps this contractor is pro-Republican on every issue except for illegal immigration; clearly the issue is only increasing his profit margins. Who knows, if push came to shove maybe this particular contractor would vote against any Republican candidate who would threaten to address illegal migrant workers in your state?

I have nothing against the people who come here to work. My problems are with (a) fairness, and (b) contribution. Let me break that down:
Fairness: One of my best friends emigrated here from Serbia. He had to go through a mountain of paperwork, and jump through multiple hoops for the I.N.S. to prove he was going to be a valuable member of the U.S.A. Likewise, there are people from all over the Earth who would like to work here. I don't understand why Central and South Americans should be priviledged to come here in much larger numbers just because of physical proximity. It doesn't seem fair.
Contribution: If one of these gentlemen outside my house has an accident, he will be taken care of by the medical system. His children will be educated by the public schools. It's entirely unfair for him not to be contributing full taxes. Moreover, it's unfair for his employer to take advantage of the lower wages, while shuffling the tax burden off onto everyone else in the community. He's taking advantage of lax enforcement to shove a whole bunch his rightful costs onto the town/county/state/country at large. It's unethical.

I agree completely.

Living in NYC I can safely say the illegal migrant worker problem is completely out of control, so much so that countless businesses have come to depend on the availability of these workers. I don't think there's a single family run store, restaurant or contractor out there that doesn't employ illegal workers. I honestly wonder what would happen to the local economy if drastic measures to curtail illegal migrant workers were implemented immediately and enforced to the fullest extent of the law?

Oddly enough the West's reliance on illegal migrant workers reminds me of the same problems confronting the Roman Republic/Empire with respect to its heavy reliance on the use of slaves. Much like Rome's use of slaves the modern use of illegal migrant workers is simply too lucrative to overlook and as with Rome, it is the West's middle and lower class citizenry which is paying the price (literally and figuratively). Not that I have any moral issues with the exploitation of illegal migrants (after all, one good exploitation deserves another) but aside from a cessation to the flagrant violation of our laws I had hoped the 21st century would see a drastic increase in the invention and implementation of automation in the West so as to curtail this huge demand for cheap labor.

**Xiahou** · 10-02-2006, 21:05

Originally Posted by Spino

Lemur, just because this particular contractor is a big fan of Limbaugh doesn't mean he agrees with everything single thing Rush says or for that matter, tows the line regarding every single idea or core issue the Republican party supposedly stands for. Perhaps this contractor is pro-Republican on every issue except for illegal immigration; clearly the issue is only increasing his profit margins. Who knows, if push came to shove maybe this particular contractor would vote against any Republican candidate who would threaten to address illegal migrant workers in your state?

There are many Republicans who aren't serious about illegal immigration- and I'd argue there are even more Democrats who aren't. Many libertarian types seem to advocate a completely open border.

Oddly enough the West's reliance on illegal migrant workers reminds me of the same problems confronting the Roman Republic/Empire with respect to its heavy reliance on the use of slaves. Much like Rome's use of slaves the modern use of illegal migrant workers is simply too lucrative to overlook and as with Rome, it is the West's middle and lower class citizenry which is paying the price (literally and figuratively). Not that I have any moral issues with the exploitation of illegal migrants (after all, one good exploitation deserves another) but aside from a cessation to the flagrant violation of our laws I had hoped the 21st century would see a drastic increase in the invention and implementation of automation in the West so as to curtail this huge demand for cheap labor.

Cheap labor retards invention/automation... this was the case in Roman times as well. If you have cheap and plentiful labor, why bother trying to automate the tasks that they perform?