U.S. Senate Does Something Right!!!! I can hardly believe it!!!

**AntiochusIII** · 10-01-2006, 00:14

Commend? My arse. That damn wall is a waste of tax money that my family contributes (yes, we legal immigrants do pay taxes, and quite a lot to speak of) while it could be used to do actual stuff to solve problems.

The idea that a physical wall will work against humans is totally ridiculous. Have these Congressmen forgot how the oh-so-magnificent Great Wall of China was a total waste?

Apparently they missed the part about the law of supply and demand. As long as employers continue to hire desperate illegal workers for dirt-cheap slave-labor wages that also happen to be higher than in Mexico, there will be lives willing to risk.

MRD: I don't know how serious you are, but blaming this squarely on the immigrants is, really, not very wise.

Edit: But of course, upon rethinking, I realize how common it is in America to put the bandage on a sword wound and call it a day. Or blame other people. How did I even let this surprise me?

**Samurai Waki** · 10-01-2006, 01:01

This isn't going to do jack ****. It's going to waste Tax Payers money. Our problem with illegals is that theres a large incentive to work here, we need to be cracking down on businesses that are hiring illegals, not building a fence that in all reality isn't going to curb the problem.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 10-01-2006, 01:12

A first step, I agree.

An un-patrolled fence is almost useless. Properly supported it will add to national security. It will be far more effective on that level than it will on curtailing illegal immigration.

Illegal immigration must be attacked on two levels:

1. Minimize the incentive for people to head to El Norte for labor (enforcing our existing labor laws would be nice, harsher fines for scammers even better).

2. Work with Mexico to have them alter their social safety net so as to stop making "Go work in El Norte" a primary component. A Mexican government that at least was neutral -- as opposed to actively encouraging -- illegal workers to head to the US would be helpful.

#1 will be difficult because of resistance from the business community. Cheaper labor cuts costs and allows you to compete more effectively -- this is a basic issue for business and they will not want to make the adjustment.

#2 will be difficult because most governments located South of the Rio Grande and North of Magellan's Pass would more happily tell the USA to go piss up a rope than coordinate to solve the problem (and not entirely without justification. Our policies over the years in Latin America haven't always been consistent or friendly).

**Tsavong** · 10-01-2006, 11:11

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

#1 will be difficult because of resistance from the business community. Cheaper labor cuts costs and allows you to compete more effectively -- this is a basic issue for business and they will not want to make the adjustment.

But storey if they cant compete so well they run the risk of going out of business or at least more foreran maid goods will be imported into the US and so more of your hard earned cash levees the US.

by the way from my point of view as an Englishman i find it quite amusing that the US which lets face it is built on emigration is no so paranoid about people coming to the US

**Mithrandir** · 10-01-2006, 11:54

Oh goody, I was hoping someone would follow Israels magnificent way of handling things.

**Somebody Else** · 10-01-2006, 12:07

Why not put the money into removing the 'il' from people trying to migrate? Set up centres to teach whatever it is you chaps want your immigrants to know. Just because someone is born in a particular place doesn't make them any more or less of a person than someone born somewhere else.

**Proletariat** · 10-01-2006, 16:19

Originally Posted by Somebody Else

Just because someone is born in a particular place doesn't make them any more or less of a person than someone born somewhere else.

Alright, where did you get the idea anyone thinks that? I've lived in quite a few different countries, this one is easily the most welcoming of them all, to anyone.

**Mithrandir** · 10-04-2006, 11:31

Originally Posted by Somebody Else

Why not put the money into removing the 'il' from people trying to migrate? Set up centres to teach whatever it is you chaps want your immigrants to know. Just because someone is born in a particular place doesn't make them any more or less of a person than someone born somewhere else.

**Divinus Arma** · 10-01-2006, 05:09

Originally Posted by AntiochusIII

(yes, we legal immigrants do pay taxes, and quite a lot to speak of)

WE WANT LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

We are not xenophobes. I swear to God you people don't even read posts before you reply.

**AntiochusIII** · 10-01-2006, 06:36

Originally Posted by Divinus Arma

WE WANT LEGAL IMMIGRATION. capitalization removed

We are not xenophobes. I swear to God you people don't even read posts before you reply.

Eh, I'm not asserting differently. May be you're just misinterpreting my post instead?

**rory_20_uk** · 10-01-2006, 08:50

If you want LEGAL migration, hows about sorting the system so no one wants to be an illegal? What an idea!

Oh, but then you can't get kick backs from the companies that get money to make this massive fence, and then repair it when it comes under repeated attack by peoples trying to cross it.

You can't just steal money from the Treasury, so just ask for mates to make something useless and you achieve the same thing.