Re: famous sieges
Kür Bagha was the over all commander of the Turkish army, the siege was at Antioch. I would not go as far as saying the Crusaders actually routed the army, they just had damned luck fighting people who didn't have any sense of loyalty to one another, because they didn't trust each other.
I don't really know how to pronounce it, it's a Turkish name and I'm not Turkish and don't speak Turkish either. It's alternatively written as Kerbogha as well.
Last edited by Randarkmaan; 10-01-2006 at 22:26.
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Re: famous sieges
Sure but I doubt the Crusaders knew that.
Pretty gutsy to come charging out at a percieved stronger army.
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That's true, also keeping in mind the fact that they had lost most of their horses and they were starved, I'm sure their motivation did not exactly fall when half of the enemy run away followed by most of the other half.
I do not think they would have beat it however had the subordinate commanders and their armies not deserted the battle, but it would have been pretty hard to not make them do that.
Last edited by Randarkmaan; 10-01-2006 at 18:56.
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Re: famous sieges
Would Leningrad count?...
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I don't think the Soviets counterattacked out of the city then? Or did they?
Didn't the Germans withdraw the besieging forces to use them elsewhere or were they simply destroyed by some Soviet force coming to the rescue?
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I know little about this, but I think it's a combination of both, plus the fact that Sovjets would counterattack from somewhere else.
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It is an interesting debate about Leningrad...
Leningrad was never truly besieged. It had a lot of 'backland' to grow crops in, not enough, but still a lot. Also the connection with the rest of the SU was never cut. Lake Ladoga was open for transfer of supplies all the the while and on the 18th of January 1943 a landcorridor was opened as well.
But the forcing of the corridor was made by a combination of the Leningrad and Volkhov Fronts. But since we have already discounted lifted sieges with the aid of other armies, Leningrad won't count.
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