Beta Test: Models for Winning the War on Terror

[Ice]

Get the hell out of their countries, if attacks continue get every muslim out of the western culture ( even tho most likley impossible we an still dream) and deport them all back to the middle east to live in their way of ife that is better to ours. Everyones a winner.

Great plan. Let's here some other great ones!

[KafirChobee]

Gah! expain below.

The military aspect (the Allies) of more boots, to secure Iraq has long passed. That was Rummy's initial failure - sending 120,000 rather than the 350,000 needed in the Pentagon plan, and that caused our present quagmire. Pull our troops back to safe areas and let the Iraqis' have at it. I read this week in USN&WR that 60% of Iraqis now view the killing of a US soldier as OK by the insurgents (made up mostly of former Iraqi troops) - only 15% say the same about fellow Iraqis be killed by them. The allies cannot win the peace there - only the Iraqis can.

It is no longer a choice to stay the course, or cut and run. But, placing our troops in untentable positions simply makes them fish in a barrell.

We cannot win by proclaiming we will stay 'til the end. We must let the Iraqis find the end for themselves.

As for the WoT, the arguement that by fighting them there we are keeping them off the streets of America has an all to familiar ring to it. It is the same policy we upheld during the Vietnam conflict. Also, coming soon to a propaganda agenda near you - the new improved dominoes theory.

As noted by others, to defeat a terrorist cell or insurgent body one must be able to attain intelligence about their methods, their plans, their infrastructure, their organizational chart (s), and then determine the most effective means to neutralize them. Screaming at the moon, tossing meaningless threats and promising retalliation has no affect when you are fighting an enemy as illusive those we now encounter - and those we soon will.
It is now a matter of fact that there are 4 attacks an hour in Iraq. That Alquada copycat groups are growing at a rate 10 (minimum) times our invasion of Iraq. The Taliban is increasing its numbers daily, and by some estimates are as large as before the invasion of Afghanistan.

The only way to defeat terrorists is by inflitrating their organizations, and keeping their demise a secret. Rather than jumping up and down screaming how wonderful HLS is every time we capture some dimwit that planned on taking down the Brooklyne Bridge with a blow-torch. Real intelligence, a real networking strategy (not this huge NSA net we're presently attempting), a real plan - something that is long term. Something.

At present, we have little going on of real import. Fact is only 4 of the 41 (?) recommendations of the 9/11 Commision have even partially been implimented. The dole ($$$) from HLS is based on partisan politics and not real need - when Iowa and Missouri get more money for security than NYC that is a sure tell. Before anything can really be acheived in the WoT the politics has to be either taken out of it, or become a partisan effort. Today, it is purely in the lap of the GOP - and that my friends is both dangerous (as it would be were it Democrats) and unwise.

Learning the geo-political-cultural aspects of an area is needed before a conflict. After hostilities have begun it almost becomes irrelevant, one is then in a catch up mode to win the hearts and minds. It is way to late to matter to the affected populace whether you now understand them, all they see is that you are still killing them.

Four incidents an hour - unimaginable. Maybe that sign behind Bush on the Aircraft Carrier should have read "Mission Impoosible", rather than Accomplshed.

[King Ragnar]

Great plan. Let's here some other great ones!

Shoot them all?

Lynch them?

Nuke Them?

[Furious Mental]

Islamic terrorism is simply about money. The ideological base for Islamic terrorism comes from fundamentalist religious education. The money for that education comes from rich governments and individuals in the Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia, shown most recently by their bankrolling of the Union of Islamic Courts in Somalia. When or if these people and institutions run out of money there will probably still be a few crazies around but they won't be nearly as prolific.