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    Default 2 Turks Hijack Airliner to Protest Pope visit

    By MAX FRIGIONE, Associated Press Writer
    BRINDISI, Italy - Two Turks protesting Pope Benedict XVI's planned trip to Turkey next month hijacked a Turkish Airlines jet carrying 113 people from Albania to Istanbul on Tuesday, and it landed safely in this southern Italian coastal city, officials said.

    The hijackers, who were unarmed, told authorities they were prepared to surrender, said Candan Karlitekin, chairman of Turkish Airlines' board of directors. He said no one aboard the Boeing 737-400 was injured.
    Pretty mild hijacking, any thoughts?
    Should the Pope stay home for a little while?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yesdachi
    Pretty mild hijacking, any thoughts?
    Should the Pope stay home for a little while?
    Yes, its stupid of him to go anywhere with large muslim communitities just at the moment until things cool down a bit, rightly or wrongly he caused a lot of offence with his recent comments, by going to places liek turkey he puts himself at risk....

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    Wow. A peaceful hijacking? Impressive.

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    Were these 2 guys part of the 'how dare you say Islam is violent club' I wonder?

    I have no love for the Pope or any religion for that matter but perhaps if people actually thought about an event instead of acting on the first-dare I say- violent impulse that enters their arguably tiny minds perhaps they might realise that the Pope's visit might (and just might) be an apology or atonment for previous actions...a building of bridges if you will...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot
    Were these 2 guys part of the 'how dare you say Islam is violent club' I wonder?

    I have no love for the Pope or any religion for that matter but perhaps if people actually thought about an event instead of acting on the first-dare I say- violent impulse that enters their arguably tiny minds perhaps they might realise that the Pope's visit might (and just might) be an apology or atonment for previous actions...a building of bridges if you will...
    From there point of view the Pope can apolgoize from the vatican, the level of hostility i think is understandable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scurvy
    From there point of view the Pope can apolgoize from the vatican, the level of hostility i think is understandable...
    I disagree. Consider the following (which I rather liked):

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard Pitts, 2 October 2006
    In 1989, photographer Andres Serrano exhibited a photo he called Piss Christ, depicting a crucifix submerged in urine. It raised a furor and was condemned on the floor of the United States Senate.

    Nobody was killed.

    In 1999, artist Chris Ofili exhibited a painting he called The Holy Virgin Mary in which the mother of Jesus has an exposed breast made of elephant dung. It drew a rebuke from the mayor of New York and crowds of protesters.

    Nobody was injured.

    Last year, a Danish newspaper printed political cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, one showing him with a bomb in his turban. There were weeks of rioting across Southeast Asia, the Middle East and Africa. At least one person died in Somalia, five in Afghanistan, a hundred in Nigeria. An untold number of people were injured. Property damage was in the millions.

    You may think the point of the foregoing parallel is that Christians react more maturely to provocation than Muslims. You would be mistaken. After all, Muslims in America, surely as offended by the cartoons of the Prophet as Muslims anywhere else, did not riot or kill. Their protests were confined to statements of anger and letters to editors.

    IT'S A CLASH OF CULTURES

    No, the point has less to do with religion than with culture. As in, some cultures value freedom of expression more than others. Some realize the person who is not free to speak his or her mind is not truly free at all.

    And some know courage is the price of that freedom.

    Which brings us to Germany, where an opera house in Berlin last week ended a production of Mozart's Idomeneo that featured the severed head of the Prophet Mohammed. The opera, which premiered in 2003, also included the severed heads of Jesus, Buddha and Poseidon, part of director Hans Neuenfels' protest against organized religion. But it was security fears specifically related to the Muslim prophet that led Kirsten Harms, director of Deutsche Oper, to cancel the production.

    Many Germans have condemned the decision. Chancellor Angela Merkel warned that ``self-censorship out of fear is not tolerable.''

    I agree, of course, but I also empathize with Kirsten Harms. Certainly, it was only a matter of time before the production came to the attention of world Islam; one marvels that it escaped three years without detection. And we all know what would have happened then.

    It's one thing to risk one's own building, one's own crew, even one's own life, for the principle of free speech. But who'd want to live with the knowledge that their opera caused riots and deaths all over the world, further destabilizing an already fragile and unstable planet? So I understand Harms' thinking. But I disagree.

    THERE SHOULD BE NO GIVING IN

    For too long, radical Muslims have behaved like the spoiled children of the planet, throwing temper tantrums -- violence and the threat thereof -- to get their way. Any seasoned parent can tell you that giving in to tantrums only ensures more tantrums.

    Better to teach the child restraint. Better to teach him to share. In radical Islam's case, to share the planet with those who are not of their ideology. To behave with tolerance if not acceptance.

    I do not argue provocation for its own sake, which is why I disagreed with papers that reprinted the cartoons of the Prophet. There was no point to it; it was the journalistic equivalent of one school kid insulting another's mother.

    This is different. Neuenfels uses provocative imagery to make a political point. Most of us would disagree with that point, but his right to make it should never be in question.

    This is what the rest of the world must teach radical Islam, but we can't if we retreat in fear from our own principles. Yes, the danger is real. Offend the crazies, and they will destroy property or take somebody hostage. But the alternative is worse. To give in is to destroy more than property. And make hostages of us all.


    Please note that Mr. Pitts is NOT a neo-con, NOT a fan of the Bush administration, and NOT a fan of the War in Iraq. This is not the rant of a Bush administration hawk.
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    Default Re: 2 Turks Hijack Airliner to Protest Pope visit

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
    In 1989, photographer Andres Serrano exhibited a photo he called Piss Christ, depicting a crucifix submerged in urine. It raised a furor and was condemned on the floor of the United States Senate.

    Nobody was killed.
    I met the Piss Christ guy, interesting to say the least. The “piss” was his btw, and he also had small hand rolled balls of his own poo as part of his exhibit. I found the materials he used were more offensive than the fact they were incorporated into art involving the crucifixion. Pee and Poo jokes are funny but when used in a more serious situation they are just gross.

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    Default Re: 2 Turks Hijack Airliner to Protest Pope visit

    The problem with not going in response to this is possibly sending the message that the way to get the pope or whoever else to do what you want is to hijack a plane to make your statement. I tend to think that the more terrorist actions are ignored the less power terrorists have. There are problems and complications with that outlook of course, but the pope should not let his activities be unduly influenced by the actions of fanatics.

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    Default Re: 2 Turks Hijack Airliner to Protest Pope visit

    ...but the pope should not let his activities be unduly influenced by the actions of fanatics.
    He could also stop being an arse. There's freedom of expression, and then there's patently asking for trouble. I rather refuse to believe he or his staff couldn't foresee the effects given the already taut nerves and ruffled feathers involved, and the man's track record in this interfaith conversation thing isn't really that good by what I've read.

    As one free-distribution youth mag here commented sarcastically: "The Rottweiler of God cunningly insulted Islam by quoting a historical figure. An Iranian mullah duly quoted the friend of his little brother, according to whom the Pope sucks."
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