EB -- the future?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Will EB reach a "complete" form prior to the development of a new "engine" by CA that might invalidate all this brilliant work?

I've watched these gorgeous components develop, but am unsure where/how things can come to fruition. Or is the work you do adaptable enough to absorb such a change in stride?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Nothing can "invalidate" this work SF. I'll be playing this game for years. I haven't even bought or played another pc game since RTW came out.

[DeathEmperor]

I haven't tried Europa Barborum yet but from what I've seen and read there's no way such a great work of gaming art will be ignored or forgotten even when M2TW is released .

[Avicenna]

There is no way that CA will make M2TW better than EB. It's just going to be another nice-graphics-no-depth game for children. It just simply isn't in their interest to put so much time and effort into making the game very accurate and deep, which would dissuade the more childish from buying it, and therefore pushing up production cost while losing revenue.

[MSB]

There is no way that CA will make M2TW better than EB. It's just going to be another nice-graphics-no-depth game for children. It just simply isn't in their interest to put so much time and effort into making the game very accurate and deep, which would dissuade the more childish from buying it, and therefore pushing up production cost while losing revenue.

Yes, but the EB team could build on a "nice-graphics-no-depth game for children" by adding the brilliant EB depth and accuracy and using the good graphics as well. In my opinion the Total War series is there to be modded by genius' like members of the EB team so it can be made BETTER!

Although it would be good if the CA made an accurate game in the first place. Then modders would not have to waste their time improving it. Just think about it, there were hardly any mods for Shogun (accurate), a few for Medieval (reasonably accurate), but there were lots for RTW (in-accurate). It just show that people want an historically accurate game.

[Epistolary Richard]

Didn't you guys _just_ have a thread like this one?

[Ludens]

Although it would be good if the CA made an accurate game in the first place. Then modders would not have to waste their time improving it. Just think about it, there were hardly any mods for Shogun (accurate), a few for Medieval (reasonably accurate), but there were lots for RTW (in-accurate).

Might this not have something to do with the fact that S:TW is barely moddable, M:TW reasonably moddable, and R:TW well moddable? Or with the fact that the S:TW community was small, the M:TW community intermediate and the R:TW community big?

It just show that people want an historically accurate game.

Most mods did not have realism as a requirement. Also, R:TW sold far better than S:TW and M:TW combined.

They managed well enough to make Shogun resonably historical and Medieval Totalwar was historical as well. Either they knew alot about these periods already or they did their reasearch (probably the second one). What went wrong with Rome to make it so inaccurate?

M:TW wasn't very accurate either. Take the muslim unit roster, for example. S:TW was accurate, but only because it was very simplistic. The current games are far more detailed. Also, it is relatively easy to represent the way the Japanese waged war over one century, but doing the same for several European factions over 400 years is going to take a lot more work. The problem isn't that CA is doing less research, the problem is that they've got to do more to reach the same level of accuracy for each faction.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

There is no way that CA will make M2TW better than EB. It's just going to be another nice-graphics-no-depth game for children. It just simply isn't in their interest to put so much time and effort into making the game very accurate and deep, which would dissuade the more childish from buying it, and therefore pushing up production cost while losing revenue.

I wasn't arguing against EB's historical accuracy focus or rich unit depictions -- these are great.

I wasn't worrying about the quality of the new mercs and governance systems -- they are developing but add a wonderful tone.

I was worrying out loud that CA may develop an engine that is so new, and perhaps so much better, that folks won't want to use the RTW engine anymore. If that happens, can EB be brought up to the new engine or is all this wonderful work "trashed" (which I would not enjoy)?

If this was already addressed, my pardons. I spend too much time getting ridiculed in the Backroom to read everything here all the time (explanation, not excuse).

[Zaknafien]

I think the game engine is irrelevant as long as you have trhe means to play it. I still play alot of the 16 and even 8-bit strategy games of days of yore, simply because they are much more fun and immerisve than the quick and flashy fix todays gamers get.

[khelvan]

Will EB reach a "complete" form prior to the development of a new "engine" by CA that might invalidate all this brilliant work?

Well, the wonderful thing about EB is that the core of what we are doing is limited by, not based on, the underlying engine. It remains to be seen exactly what MTW:2 will allow us to do that R:TW does not, though I know many of our team members are very excited about certain features, such as the ability to have differently equipped/clad soldiers in the same unit.

We have not yet made an official announcement regarding our plan for the future.

[MSB]

I think you should "port" EB to M2. Apparently there are going to be 30 faction slots and you could work the Castles and City goverment styles of M2 and use them to represent the goverment system of EB.

[-Praetor-]

Well, currently you could see if M2TW is moddable or not

because...

the demo is out...

go to this page in order to read the first steps of M2TW modding (sh**, this is historic )

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...5&page=1&pp=20

PS: However, I don`t believe that CA has been so dumb to release a moddable demo, but nevertheless, one could always start to know the basics of the engine, right?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Well, the wonderful thing about EB is that the core of what we are doing is limited by, not based on, the underlying engine. It remains to be seen exactly what MTW:2 will allow us to do that R:TW does not, though I know many of our team members are very excited about certain features, such as the ability to have differently equipped/clad soldiers in the same unit.

We have not yet made an official announcement regarding our plan for the future.

Thank you. This answer addresses my question neatly, no kvetching.

[khelvan]

Except that our plans have now been announced.