New developer diary: Religion

**scourgeofrome** · 10-06-2006, 02:56

he shouldn't re-emerge with an ultra-powerful army every few turns.

Amen.But then again,there is always that satisfaction in killing him again

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**CaesarAugustus** · 10-06-2006, 03:00

That's sort of hard to do when it's early game and you're strained for cash and troops........and your existing armies have better things to do than wait aound Rome for the Pope to come back.

**scourgeofrome** · 10-06-2006, 03:08

Originally Posted by CaesarAgustus

That's sort of hard to do when it's early game and you're strained for cash and troops........and your existing armies have better things to do than wait aound Rome for the Pope to come back.

That's why I go somewhere else for a while before attacking the Papal States.Even then I usually let him have Rome back and then come back later and crush him. Its a vicious cycle.I hope it doesn't pop up in MTWII. The Pope is just so annoyng (Why can't he just go away like the Senate in RTW).

**Bob the Insane** · 10-06-2006, 03:14

Originally Posted by scourgeofrome

That's why I go somewhere else for a while before attacking the Papal States.Even then I usually let him have Rome back and then come back later and crush him. Its a vicious cycle.I hope it doesn't pop up in MTWII. The Pope is just so annoyng (Why can't he just go away like the Senate in RTW).

Well as far as I have read there has been no definate answer on re-emerging factions in M2TW so it is possible that once the Pope is gone, then he is really gone...

**scourgeofrome** · 10-06-2006, 03:17

Originally Posted by Bob the Insane

Well as far as I have read there has been no definate answer on re-emerging factions in M2TW so it is possible that once the Pope is gone, then he is really gone...

.Happy day.

**Polemists** · 10-06-2006, 04:40

True, however I would argue that if the pope does not reemerge he should start off with a good army. There was one report somewhere talking about the pope is a actual unit now not just a political figure.

However keep in mind I'd have no idea how'd you defeat the pope. Even if you conquer papal states, the pope would still have his three nominee's all from different nations and the cardinals. I would think his chain of command should and would have authority to take back his land. Which would mean until you conquered every cathoilic nation you wouldn't be safe.

I don't think the catholic factions though should just go, "oh you just killed leader of my faith well that's fine i'll just continue life as usual."

Taking on the man with the pope hat has consequences (or at least it should)

**IrishArmenian** · 10-06-2006, 05:15

Waiting for the Patriarch...

**Bob the Insane** · 10-06-2006, 13:42

Originally Posted by Polemists

True, however I would argue that if the pope does not reemerge he should start off with a good army. There was one report somewhere talking about the pope is a actual unit now not just a political figure.

However keep in mind I'd have no idea how'd you defeat the pope. Even if you conquer papal states, the pope would still have his three nominee's all from different nations and the cardinals. I would think his chain of command should and would have authority to take back his land. Which would mean until you conquered every cathoilic nation you wouldn't be safe.

I don't think the catholic factions though should just go, "oh you just killed leader of my faith well that's fine i'll just continue life as usual."

Taking on the man with the pope hat has consequences (or at least it should)

I just had a horrifying thought...

Maybe the Papal faction will be able to go Horde!!!

Can you picture it now, conquoring the Papal lands would unleash the Pope's Horde - hard coded to retake the Papal Lands!!!

**Sun of Chersonesos** · 10-07-2006, 23:50

Originally Posted by CaesarAgustus

That's sort of hard to do when it's early game and you're strained for cash and troops........and your existing armies have better things to do than wait around Rome for the Pope to come back.

I agree, what i would do is mind my own business and if the pope expands you cant be excommunicated for defending yourself, you cant be expected to give away the city either.... or are we talking about after getting excommunicated? in any case, if it was before thats what i would do

**CaesarAugustus** · 10-08-2006, 02:00

I assume that the Pope would excommunicate you before attcking, its just that in the original Medieval he would attack you and try to expand into your lands.

**Prince of the Poodles** · 10-08-2006, 09:18

I think the re-emerging pope in MTW was a good thing. Some seem to not understand how important a figure he was to people of the era and how many people were far more loyal to the Church than their state.

It is definately believable that, if a king attacked the vatican, people from all across Europe would volunteer to fight for him with the same religious zeal as they did in the Crusades.

I hardly ever attacked the papacy in my MTW games, as it just isnt believable.