New developer diary: Religion

**scourgeofrome** · 10-06-2006, 03:17

Originally Posted by Bob the Insane

Well as far as I have read there has been no definate answer on re-emerging factions in M2TW so it is possible that once the Pope is gone, then he is really gone...

.Happy day.

**Polemists** · 10-06-2006, 04:40

True, however I would argue that if the pope does not reemerge he should start off with a good army. There was one report somewhere talking about the pope is a actual unit now not just a political figure.

However keep in mind I'd have no idea how'd you defeat the pope. Even if you conquer papal states, the pope would still have his three nominee's all from different nations and the cardinals. I would think his chain of command should and would have authority to take back his land. Which would mean until you conquered every cathoilic nation you wouldn't be safe.

I don't think the catholic factions though should just go, "oh you just killed leader of my faith well that's fine i'll just continue life as usual."

Taking on the man with the pope hat has consequences (or at least it should)

**IrishArmenian** · 10-06-2006, 05:15

Waiting for the Patriarch...

**Mount Suribachi** · 10-06-2006, 11:26

Given that the Pope is elected in MTW2, killing him just means that a new Pope will be elected so there is always a pope. I guess the only way to do away with the pope once and for all it to eliminate every Catholic faction so there are no more priests & bishops.

As for conquering Papal lands, does anyone know for certain if their are any actual provinces owned by the Pope? (screenshots would be nice)

**Bob the Insane** · 10-06-2006, 13:42

Originally Posted by Polemists

True, however I would argue that if the pope does not reemerge he should start off with a good army. There was one report somewhere talking about the pope is a actual unit now not just a political figure.

However keep in mind I'd have no idea how'd you defeat the pope. Even if you conquer papal states, the pope would still have his three nominee's all from different nations and the cardinals. I would think his chain of command should and would have authority to take back his land. Which would mean until you conquered every cathoilic nation you wouldn't be safe.

I don't think the catholic factions though should just go, "oh you just killed leader of my faith well that's fine i'll just continue life as usual."

Taking on the man with the pope hat has consequences (or at least it should)

I just had a horrifying thought...

Maybe the Papal faction will be able to go Horde!!!

Can you picture it now, conquoring the Papal lands would unleash the Pope's Horde - hard coded to retake the Papal Lands!!!

**Myrddraal** · 10-06-2006, 13:58

worry about the Pope trying to expand into their own provinces

I very much doubt the pope will be expansionist.

**Bob the Insane** · 10-06-2006, 15:16

Originally Posted by Myrddraal

I very much doubt the pope will be expansionist.

I wonder if you can give him captured provinces as a gift? Capturing a province from a rival Catholic faction and then gifting it to the church (Pope) could really put the cat amoung the pigeons...

I remember doing this with the Senate faction in RTW and they went expansion crazy on the Gauls...

**Hobot** · 10-07-2006, 11:40

If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that Bob is right. There are no re-emerging factions as far as I know, thereby I doubt that the Papal faction will re-emerge if you defeat it. However since the pope is indeed a character on the map (like a priest), he himself may not even have to be killed for his faction to be defeated... Thereby my best guess is that the pope as a figure in gameplay is not completely tied to his faction, and that papal missions will continue to exist even if the papacy, as a political entity is gone.

**JR-** · 10-07-2006, 14:03

i am impressed with what CA have done with religion.

it is a shame tho that "heretic" isn't a positive option that you can choose to pursue as a religious choice.

it would be great to lead England to the reformation in the late 14th century.
even better if your chance for succeeding in choosing a reformation option was governed by a distance-from-the-pope attribute similar to the distance-from-capital rule that already exists.