Report: North Korea Conducts Nuke Test

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America Confirms Seismic Tremors
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[spmetla]

I just realized that if North Korea fixes the problems with it's ICBMs then my sunny Honolulu is well within range

[discovery1]

Hmmm

Sanctions will follow, surely.

I bet most of our nukes are pointed at N Korea and will be while it is still a force. Should war break out the N Koreans would have to be destroyed within the first few minutes

Yes, spmelta Japan may well change its constitution. It may even not, and simply build nukes in secret. Actually, I beat they could get away with openly having nukes. Just use them in the kill vehicles of a missile defense system.

[Geoffrey S]

Sanctions and bomb the crap out of the place; don't bother with the occupying part. If confirmed as a true nuclear test, this is at the very least one step too far and should not be tolerated in any way.

[Keba]

Well, this is a most interesting development. It may give weight to NK in the diplomatic sphere, though it has likely pissed a lot of people off, possibly including their only remaining ally, China.

Either way, they've made a tactical error in not doing the test properly, that is notifying people well in advance and making them watch.

Sanctions and bomb the crap out of the place; don't bother with the occupying part. If confirmed as a true nuclear test, this is at the very least one step too far and should not be tolerated in any way.

And sacrifice hundreds of thousands, even millions of South Koreans and Japanese, as their cities are turned to glass because of your campaign?

Americans, when will you learn to think about consequences for a change?

[discovery1]

If the North Koreans attack us then I say go all out immediately. Barring that force is not an option any rational person would consider.

[Geoffrey S]

And sacrifice hundreds of thousands, even millions of South Koreans and Japanese, as their cities are turned to glass because of your campaign?

Americans, when will you learn to think about consequences for a change?

Hate to break it to you, but I'm not American. Stereotypes giving you trouble, are they?

Right now North Korea has the bomb. It doesn't yet have longrange missiles equiped with said weapon; there is still time to decisively strike the nation before Japan and South Korea can be held hostage. But whatever happens, North Korea should not be allowed to get away with this under any circumstances whatsoever. You talk of consequences, what do you think those will be of North Korea keeping its neighbours under the barrel of a gun all the time? No, in this case there must be action and it must be now.

[BigTex]

Sanctions and bomb the crap out of the place; don't bother with the occupying part. If confirmed as a true nuclear test, this is at the very least one step too far and should not be tolerated in any way.

Thats insane, thats simply crazy. You can't bomb North Korea, it will result in total war. This isnt Iraq either a build up of force would mean invasion by Nk also. At this present time quite honestly there's nothing really holding the North Koreans at bay, a war with North Korea would mean the south is steamrolled by the north korean army. If there was a war, it isnt just a bombing campaign its about crushing the north and reunifing the korean peninsula, because after the millions are dead, after the once beautiful dmz is destroyed, after the entire peninsula is reduced to a burning war zone. The least we could do is this time finish what started 50 years ago and unify it.

Americans, when will you learn to think about consequences for a change?

You may want to note the person you quoted is from Holland. Which would be why the person isnt thinking hard about the consequences of a war. Europe shouldn't be alloud much of a voice in what happens quite honestly, unless they also will commit a a few hundred thousand troops to defend the dmz. Also keba south korea is a beautiful example of what the consequences are of US intervention, a thriving democratic country.
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[Keba]

Uh, sorry about that comment, I've seen a large number from Americans and assumed incorrectly. Sorry, again.

Intervention, yes, however, it's a lose-lose situation. Anyone attacks, the losses would be massive, add to that that the chances of victory are exceptionally low, the NK have been preparing for that kind of event for decades.

Now, how do you think they will respond to an attack on that scale? First, they let the troops into their country, fighting as they do, and thereby disabling enemy nuclear capabilies, then unleashing their own, either on cities of Japan and South Korea or on the troops, depends on what their mood is. In either case, millions die, countries are reduced to glass, and successful democracies dissapear as they are atomized, along with their populations. NK will lose, but, in the end, they have victory.

Europe will never get involved. Individual countries may become involved, but most just won't risk it. Unlike the US populace, the European isn't as easily motivated. My country's population objected to sending a unit to train soldiers in Afghanistan. Most in Europe see no point in sending troops there, for the simple reason that it doesn't concern them, it is far away, and NK will anyway be in a shouting (possibly shooting) match with the US and China. If the three destroy each other, then so much the better. Europe will not get involved.

Any attack on NK will result in failure, and worse, will result in massive civilian casualties. Air strikes would be pointless, anyone with half of a brain would know that an air strike might come, so they're likely keeping their missiles buried so deep that no bomb can make it. There is little else to traget, the sancions have seen to that.

South Korea was successful for different reasons. It wasn't ravaged by war, the populace was liberated, and it saw itself as liberated from Japanese oppression. The liberators were welcomed, and their ways were emulated. However, had there not been that element of liberation there would be no real effect. I'm not sure how the NK feel.

[ezrider]

No-ones fining no goddam nukes at nobody! Stop freaking out.

After dissing his biggest friend(China), the sanctions will kick in, Kim will agree to something, blah blah blah. Japan and S.Korea don't need nukes and building them will only lead to a SE Asian style Cold war/Cuban Missile Crisis paranoia.

[Shaka_Khan]

...South Korea was successful for different reasons. It wasn't ravaged by war, the populace was liberated, and it saw itself as liberated from Japanese oppression. The liberators were welcomed, and their ways were emulated. However, had there not been that element of liberation there would be no real effect. I'm not sure how the NK feel.

Actually, South Korea was heavily ravaged by the Korean War.

[Keba]

I actually meant prior to the Korean war. By that time, it was already a thriving democracy.

[lanky316]

With the occasional threats and being a part of "the axis of evil" NK are perfectily entitled to try and defend themselves. The key to being a nuclear power is that it does act as a deterent to possible warmongers and that just the threat should be enough to maintain peace. Everyone knows if you use them the repercussions on you will be VERY severe since I can't see any nation using nuclear weapons being received well.

Let's not get too far to a "we're allowed them but you're not" mentallity.

[Ronin]

Now what? War. If we let them get away with this, we've effectively said to the world that we carry no real clout. And you can bet your ass Iran will try to repeat what North Korea has done.

you might want to get a confy chair to sit and wait on if you think the US is gonna start a war over this.....specially not now where they´re already streched thin with 2 other wars.

[Upxl]

[QUOTE=Keba]

Europe will never get involved. Individual countries may become involved, but most just won't risk it.QUOTE]

That’s true Europe wont get involved because Europe can’t get involved.
We don’t have a unified foreign policy because some idiots decided there should be a referendum about the constitution ,remember?

Unlike the US populace, the European isn't as easily motivated.

I would rephrase that in having a bit more pro human concerns and more analysis about our government’s measures.

My country's population objected to sending a unit to train soldiers in Afghanistan.

Yes and we can all see this is completely the same thing.

Most in Europe see no point in sending troops there, for the simple reason that it doesn't concern them, it is far away,

If you choose to say ludicrous things like this pls don’t generalize.
Most people here give a whole lot about foreign affairs.

[Keba]

A unified foreign policy doesn't need a Constitution. All it need is agreeance among the individual nations ... something you would be hard pressed to get even with the Constitution.

That Constitution is a joke, a good idea, but bad work on it. The people were right to reject it.

I would rephrase that in having a bit more pro human concerns and more analysis about our government’s measures.

I wouldn't say that. I mean that motivating Euros for any sort of war is difficult at best if it isn't of direct concern for them.

Yes and we can all see this is completely the same thing.

I merely used that to illustrate a point ... the population objects to sending a hundred policemen because they come under risk. Do you truly think those same people will send tens of thousands to certain death?

If you choose to say ludicrous things like this pls don’t generalize.
Most people here give a whole lot about foreign affairs.

Here at the .org (or do you mean Europe, hell, I'm from Europe and none of the people I've talked to care), people care. In general, from what I've heard, most simply don't care. They look on it as China's and America's problem, and that's about the extent of the care.

This is as far as I will detract this admittedly rather fascinating thread.

Just to add my two cents.

According to the Russian military, the supposedly detonated nuke, if it was, in fact a nuke, was a device between 5 and 15 kilotons ... the Hiroshima version had 12. With that, only the Russians confirm it to be greater than half a kiloton.

In other news, China has agreed to sanctions (or, at least, punitive measures), but opposes any sort of military action.

[Scurvy]

I doubt sanctions will hjave much effect though, NK seems detirmined to go nuclear, and sanctions just make them more detirmined - the answer is that no country should have nuclear weapons, but thats never going to happen

[Avicenna]

Uh-oh.

Falling stock, possible falling out, and all the while I'm in striking distance.