Cosa Nuova: A New Mafia [Concluded]

[Crazed Rabbit]

Im going to vote Sasaki also. For once we have a certain glue when Sasaki is contradicting himself and then towns people start voting no lynch.Each round we have the possibility to lynch a Mafia member.If we do nothing we dont have anykind of possibility to kill the Mafiosos.Gah!

You do realize sasaki is contradicting himself from when he was a mafioso mastermind?

Crazed Rabbit

[Sigurd]

If you don't want anyone lynched this round, then please Vote: No Lynch. I guess I should've said that earlier. I'd rather not count abstains as anti-lynch votes.

Alright, Vote: No Lynch

[Reenk Roink]

Reenkamus sees no worthy evidence to execute anyone... He abstains, courteously...

(Vote: Abstain/Vote: No Lynch) I'm confused on the difference...

[Orb]

Vote: Orb

Ten days in Naples

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm not convinced this not voting will do us any good, it just gives the mafia more chances of killing the 'good guys' before they can get hurt....

I'm also rather suspicious you changed your mind about voting in the first round Sasaki ....

But until more people post, I'll wait before voting.

So you are contradicting your own opinions from the previous games Sasaki.May i ask why is that?

I'm going to go with Vote:Sasaki , since he changed his mind about the best opening strategy, although what he said does seem to make sense, it's also an easy way for the mafia to escape prosecution, and kill two other villagers tonight. And the odds of voting for a helpful villager will remain against us until they finally kill a helpful villager themselves. Which we wouldn't know anyway, unless Kommodus posts roles with the kills (I don't think so ?). So when are we going to start hanging people ? There is no way of knowing the opportune time ! Besides, abstaining is also the perfect cover for a mafia member, they don't have to vote, so they won't piss anyone of, somebody else is bound to vote (it already happened before this post) so someone is bound to get killed, if one of their own is at risk they can easily bandwagon someone else since the total amount of votes will be low and if this doesn't happen they can just lay back and claim there isn't enough evidence to vote on. Not much said, not a big chance of screwing up.


Citizens of Ogunquit, it is your democratic duty to vote !

Im going to vote Sasaki also. For once we have a certain glue when Sasaki is contradicting himself and then towns people start voting no lynch.Each round we have the possibility to lynch a Mafia member.If we do nothing we dont have anykind of possibility to kill the Mafiosos.Gah!

Nope I wasn't contradicting myself. Last game, any small chance at taking a mafioso was worth it (we had 2 mafia and 1 detective). This game (when I posted) we had more power roles than mafia, so a random lynch was obviously not to our advantage. I was also interested to see who would try and lynch anyway. The two of you seem quite eager.

Now that we only only have 3 roles it is in our best interest to lynch. There's been to little discussion I think.

Vote:Disco for being the first to vote (even before BKS had posted). Eager to lynch someone = mafioso in my book.

[King Henry V]

Vote: Orb

Ten days in Naples

I also have a holiday starting on Wednesday, so:
Vote: King Henry V

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Anyway Silver, it was not just a few techniques, it was a total step-by-stop process of how to elude detection. I think you'll find that had Sigurd not posted it, at least one mafioso would have been caught that way.

Um, GeneralH, I have to say this argument doesn't make much sense. If Sigurd were a mafioso he would have just pm'd those techniques to his fellow mafioso, not posted them in the thread. I also think any fan of the game would be pleased that the mafia aren't going to be caught by watching pm's. It's lame, and ended Mafia IV far too soon.

I don't care how interested you are in keeping this system (if it even is Kommodus' system) out of everyone's hands. Because nobody - NOBODY - would help out the mafia THIS much THIS early in the game unless they were mafia. It's Sigurd.

This brings back memories of last round. You've been proved innocent so I know you mean well, but it's impossible to be certain of mafia first round. Especially Sigurd, who showed himself to be so crafty in Gotta have more Mafia. And btw, several other people have said things similar to Sigurd. It helps the mafia sure, but it makes the game more enjoyable for all. I personally wouldn't want to find the mafia through anything I couldn't do in the thread itself.


Also, like the star wars reference :P

[Kagemusha]

So Sasaki. First you tell everybody not to lynch in the first round and Sigurd bandwagons you on that. Then me and doc_bean find it odd and suspect you.Then you change your attitude and vote Disco so you get even in votes with him.After you change the subject and you defend Sigurd from the accusations of Hanky,which are quit correct. To me you are only acting more suspicious and also casting a shadow on Sigurd.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So Sasaki. First you tell everybody not to lynch in the first round and Sigurd bandwagons you on that. Then me and doc_bean find it odd and suspect you.Then you change your attitude and vote Disco so you get even in votes with him.After you change the subject and you defend Sigurd from the accusations of Hanky,which are quit correct. To me you are only acting more suspicious and also casting a shadow on Sigurd.

This is filled with bad logic and half truths.

First of all, do you agree with me that when there were 4 power roles it was to our advantage to vote no lynch? Answer please.

Do you see how this is a markedly different situation from last game? Answer please.

Once you've answered those two I'll get to the rest of your post.

[Kagemusha]

I know exactly how many roles are in this game. There is no reason to insult my intelligence over this game. Its just wierd that you are protecting Sigurd from someones accusations who we all know for sure is innocent(Hanky). Ive also played this game couple times, you know.What a better way to start the game by acting up that you are helping the towns folk.Perfect cover for Mafioso me thinks. Im going to vote you becouse of the fact you have been the most suspecious player on the first round and others should do it also.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I know exactly how many roles are in this game. There is no reason to insult my intelligence over this game. Its just wierd that you are protecting Sigurd from someones accusations who we all know for sure is innocent(Hanky). Ive also played this game couple times, you know.What a better way to start the game by acting up that you are helping the towns folk.Perfect cover for Mafioso me thinks. Im going to vote you becouse of the fact you have been the most suspecious player on the first round and i others should do it also.

I asked you to answer the questions because they are the foundation of your case against me. You refuse to answer.

You seriously think it's weird that I would defend sigurd against accusations from the dead? Weren't you there last game when the dead went against me with full blast with an argument no more convincing than GeneralH's? I don't want that to happen to anyone.

What better way to play a towns folk than to help the towns folk?

In the interests of self preservation I'm going to keep my vote on Disco for now (he is also acting quite suspicious imo) but I do find you the most suspicious. It seems like you saw how popular a choice I was last game and are trying to get me lynched.

I'm sorry if you interpreted that as insulting your intelligence m8, I didn't mean it like that.

[Kagemusha]

Lets see what the townfolks think.Voting Disco is large part of the suspicion that lurks around you.No offence taken.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lets see what the townfolks think.Voting Disco is large part of the suspicion that lurks around you.No offence taken.

No worries m8. He's more likely to be mafia than me, so a vote for him to save myself makes sense. Hardly suspicious.

[AggonyDuck]

I'm not really sure whether to vote on someone or vote for no lynch. Thus I will just do this:

Vote: Abstain

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Reenkamus sees no worthy evidence to execute anyone... He abstains, courteously...

(Vote: Abstain/Vote: No Lynch) I'm confused on the difference...

As I understand it, the difference is that if everyone abstains except for one person who votes for say, Reenk Roink, then RR will be executed. OTOH if a bunch of people vote No Lynch then no one will be lynched.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

As I understand it, the difference is that if everyone abstains except for one person who votes for say, Reenk Roink, then RR will be executed. OTOH if a bunch of people vote No Lynch then no one will be lynched.

Hey I just noticed that actually.

Unvote:Disco
Vote:Kagemusha

There are 5 no lynch votes, easily in the majority, so I can move my vote off Disco.

[Kagemusha]

Kommodus does No Lynch mean that there will be no lynch at all,or that the people are just not voting anyone?

Edit: Sasaki,Sasaki my friend why are you now supporting the no lynch crowd just a little while a go you changed your mind so that you believed that a lynch would be a good thing for the town. People take the hint.Sasaki is a Mafioso and im not kidding around.

[Peasant Phill]

Vote: Abstain

[Kagemusha]

Ok.I didnt want to do this but becouse nobody can see the obvious hints.I have to blow my cover. Im a detective and i checked Sasaki Kojiro on the first round and by luck i hit the nail in the head. Here is the pm:

Your investigation reveals that Sasaki Kojiro is guilty!

Great!
I would like to investigate Sasaki Kojiro for the first round.

Cheers,

Kage

Happy know? I hope that the Doctor saves me the next night.Sasaki is a Mafioso and look carefully now who others could be his mafia fellows.Read the start of the thread and atleast Sigurd and Sasaki seems to be cooperating.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

HAH! I wondered if a mafioso would be so foolish. I'm one of the real detectives.

Congratulations, you have been randomly selected as a detective in Cosa Nuova: A New Mafia!

Instructions: Each night, you may choose one person to investigate. I will tell you whether that person is innocent or guilty.

If you die you can still participate in the game, however you will not be allowed to post who you investigated. Also, remember that posting of screenshots to prove your role is not allowed.

You have 24 hours each night to send me your choice for investigation. That time limit begins now, although I will probably extend it the first night to give people a chance to get settled in and ask any questions.

Here's my pm, notice Kage didn't bother to include his, wasn't up to faking it I suppose. Of course now he doesn't have too, but whatever.

You can see my first investigation result encoded in my post after the first kills. I was going to do that each day so that when I died the town would have the information.

Kagemusha has rashly decided to claim cop, after all the detectives don't know who eachother are so he can't be disconfirmed by them right away. He hopes to gain the towns trust and distract the doctors. Don't let this happen. I encourage the other real detective to investigate us both and see who is telling the truth.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Fake. (Kage's that is)

Kommodus would have told you who Sasaki killed.

[Proletariat]

Hm.

[Xiahou]

And there never will be clue in the kills unless the mafia are completely incompetent.

Lets see, lots of players who are invisible and lots who are either actively helping the mafia or saying that doing so is a good idea. Terrible odds.

Vote: Sigurd

Only a mafia could possibly say such a thing w/o fear of getting axed plus I find it mildly more suspicious that he would chime then simply starting the conversation.

Now that's suspicious.

Vote:disco

[Kagemusha]

Well you guys see it in the end of the game but Sasaki is playing you right now.Take in consideration that i have two times won this game as Mafia.Why would i now draw attention to myself. If you dont believe me then i know one person with Assasin robes who gets a great laugh at the end of the game.
Edit: Im also ok if other detective looks at me,but that only will result that its a waisted check.Sasaki is showing you guys his notification of beeing one of the Mafia members.He has only changed one word.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well you guys see it in the end of the game but Sasaki is playing you right now.Take in consideration that i have two times won this game as Mafia.Why would i now draw attention to myself. If you dont believe me then i know one person with Assasin robes who gets a great laugh at the end of the game.

Sorry Kage, I highly doubt that. Your PM is clearly faked (wow, Kommodus uses the exact same way of telling the Detective that someone's guilty that I do!), and there's no reason to fake a Detective PM except if you're mafia. You also flat-out asked for Doctor protection. Not cool.

My guess is that you want to discredit an influential person and make all of his posts suspect.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Edit: Im also ok if other detective looks at me,but that only will result that its a waisted check.Sasaki is showing you guys his notification of beeing one of the Mafia members.He has only changed one word.

Oh really? Only one word huh? So tell me, was that one word "detective" or was it "investigate"? How about the bit where I'm not allowed to post who I investigated after I'm dead? What one word was changed there?

[Kagemusha]

Well do what you want but im beeing honest.I know at last game i messed around just to get myself killed,but now im not.There is nothing else here then my word against Sasakis. He is a Mafioso.

[doc_bean]

HAH! I wondered if a mafioso would be so foolish. I'm one of the real detectives.


Here's my pm, notice Kage didn't bother to include his, wasn't up to faking it I suppose. Of course now he doesn't have too, but whatever.

Right. If we would follow his advice and kill you, he would have been exposed as a fraud and we would have killed him next round, that makes no sense. Your defense seems to suffer from the same problem, but then it might be a desperate last stand...

I say we lynch at least one of you !

Nope I wasn't contradicting myself. Last game, any small chance at taking a mafioso was worth it (we had 2 mafia and 1 detective). This game (when I posted) we had more power roles than mafia, so a random lynch was obviously not to our advantage. I was also interested to see who would try and lynch anyway. The two of you seem quite eager.

I'm always eager for a kill, you should know that by now

But onto your argument: who's to say the mafia hasn't already gotten one of the good guys ? Who's the say the odds haven't turned in our favour already ? And what about next round, two more people will be dead, will it be in our interest to lunch people then ? Yes/No ? The odds would probably still be against the good guys. Now we have a chance of killing a mafia member, tonight's victims will surely be innocents...

Besides, active debate sometimes makes the mafia make mistakes (like not participating, or saying too much, it's win-win for the townies) AND it allows the detectives to be subtle, with few people posting/voting, those that do and point out the right people will immediately become targets.

[Kagemusha]

Doc makes a good point there.Lynch as both if you dont believe me.Atleast you get one Mafia member that way out of the game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm always eager for a kill, you should know that by now

But onto your argument: who's to say the mafia hasn't already gotten one of the good guys ? Who's the say the odds haven't turned in our favour already ? And what about next round, two more people will be dead, will it be in our interest to lunch people then ? Yes/No ? The odds would probably still be against the good guys. Now we have a chance of killing a mafia member, tonight's victims will surely be innocents...

Besides, active debate sometimes makes the mafia make mistakes (like not participating, or saying too much, it's win-win for the townies) AND it allows the detectives to be subtle, with few people posting/voting, those that do and point out the right people will immediately become targets.

I'm all for active debate, I made that clear. After 3 rounds of kills from mafia they would most likely have killed a pro-town role (31 players 3 mafia, so 4/28 or 1/7 chance each kill) and then we could go lynch. Since BKS was a doctor it is now in our advantage to lynch.