Question about EB mod

**Achillon** · 10-10-2006, 04:12

hi all new here!
i loveee this mod amazing atmosphere with this one...but i have a question...i noticed on the site says that the mod comes with new music and a bonus latin vocie over...i thing is i got RTW 1.2 with EB 0.7.4 and i still have old musics and no latin voices for any of roman army....

whats the problem...am i doing something wrong?

thx for any help

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 10-10-2006, 04:18

That's for the next release. The one that the betatesters and team are playing now. We're trying to get it out to you as soon as possible, but it's not ready quite yet. I will say that today I've played some battles with many many new units that I've been waiting a long time for though.

A big step, but we're not ready yet.

**Dayve** · 10-12-2006, 16:48

Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou

That's for the next release. The one that the betatesters and team are playing now. We're trying to get it out to you as soon as possible, but it's not ready quite yet. I will say that today I've played some battles with many many new units that I've been waiting a long time for though.

A big step, but we're not ready yet.

Should have sent me the beta... I've got all the free time in the world thanks to the British government paying me enough money every week to live off of without me having to work for it...

But no matter, your loss.

**Simmons** · 10-12-2006, 21:10

Originally Posted by Dayve

Should have sent me the beta... I've got all the free time in the world thanks to the British government paying me enough money every week to live off of without me having to work for it...

But no matter, your loss.

You know Dayve sitting here feeling like crap about to go to work just one more time this week your comments really make me think about the welfare system why is it the governments responsibility to take care of people who won't take care of themselves? Why should my hard earned tax dollars go to someone like you (and of course they don't we live in different countries) at least why should it be in the form of a payment you can do anything with that isnt your money its the peoples.

Anyway I will have to leave it at that gotta go to work now and I would like to have enough time to eat something on the way.

**fallen851** · 10-12-2006, 22:09

Originally Posted by Andronikos Kypriakos

why is it the governments responsibility to take care of people?

Why you ask? Well I'm writing a book about this.

Because the reason people formed into societies and government's in the first place was for mutual protection. Before society and governments people lived in the state of nature, where ones possessions and life could be taken at any moment by others. Thus their possessions and lives were not secure, and they wanted to secure them.

So people willingly formed into groups, and all of them give up their natural rights to kill, steal and use violence to the government for the collective good.

The government now has a monopoly on violence, and this makes possession and lives more stable than if each individual could use violence. So the government provides you with protection from others by taking away their right to kill and steal, and in turn you protect society by giving up your right to kill and steal.

Thus you give up the natural right to protect yourself by killing and stealing (so you can't steal to get food anymore, or kill to gain possessions for instance), and in exchange the government is supposed to provide those for you, since you provide them yourself as you gave them up.

This is the unwritten contract between the government and an individual.

So if someone is starving on the street, the government is morally obligated to help that person. Why? Because the government does not allow them to kill and steal (which they would do in the state of nature) which are natural rights, to acquire food.

You only give up your natural rights in exchange for the guarentee that you will be protected. No one would give up their right to kill, if they knew others would not, for instance (or at least they would be foolish too).

If you are starving on the street, the government is not protecting you, so you would be better off reverting back to the state of nature and killing and stealing. Thus killing and stealing should be legal, unless the government can provide and protect everyone. And since killing and stealing is illegal, the government is obligated to provide and protect everyone.

The reason we formed societies is to avoid the state of nature. You would not join a society if it meant you were going to starve to death, you'd rather be in the state of nature. Thus we must provide the benefits of society to all to the extent where they would be better off living in society, than in the state of nature.

Simple enough?

**Foot** · 10-12-2006, 22:11

Originally Posted by Andronikos Kypriakos

You know Dayve sitting here feeling like crap about to go to work just one more time this week your comments really make me think about the welfare system why is it the governments responsibility to take care of people who won't take care of themselves? Why should my hard earned tax dollars go to someone like you (and of course they don't we live in different countries) at least why should it be in the form of a payment you can do anything with that isnt your money its the peoples.

Anyway I will have to leave it at that gotta go to work now and I would like to have enough time to eat something on the way.

My suggestion would be to find a good book on the welfare system and read it. Head down to your local library and read, if this is a concern with the political system, but please, please do not act in ignorance. Once you have understand the issues around the welfare state and the arguments both for and against, then you can make a reasonable judgement. It concerns me that so many registered voters have such little understanding of the issues that they vote upon; it is one of the many failings of democracy, and you wouldn't like to hear about my other opinions on democracy.

Foot

**fallen851** · 10-13-2006, 00:20

Originally Posted by Foot

My suggestion would be to find a good book on the welfare system and read it. Head down to your local library and read, if this is a concern with the political system, but please, please do not act in ignorance. Once you have understand the issues around the welfare state and the arguments both for and against, then you can make a reasonable judgement. It concerns me that so many registered voters have such little understanding of the issues that they vote upon; it is one of the many failings of democracy, and you wouldn't like to hear about my other opinions on democracy.

Foot

One of things I've wondered about is why classical philisophers have such a problem with Democracy.

Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, they all slam democracy in one way or another...

The name of my book "The Society of the Ship", is a reference to Plato's Republic, where Plato (speaking through Socrates) describes a captainless ship, where people jockey for position to become the captain.

But the one who will become captain will not be the best suited to be captain, he will just have been the best at jockeying for the position...

And most modern "democratic" states (actually they Republics but whatever) are very similar to this ship in how they choose their leaders.

I actually would like to hear what you have to say Foot. The problem with reading books is, many authors are stupid, even well regarded ones. And most arguements have holes in them, and the author isn't right there to defend the holes, so people often think "ha I'm smarter than this author" and disregard what they say.

Thus, debate is far more useful. Which makes me wonder why I write.

**tk-421** · 10-10-2006, 04:20

Those features are not included in version 0.74. We are currently working on 0.8 which will include music and the Latin portion of the voice mod.

**Achillon** · 10-10-2006, 04:22

Ohhh i see...well...then i can't wait this 0.8!!!

thx for fast answer

**Puupertti Ruma** · 10-12-2006, 15:53

My romans speak latin in 0.74. Actually my greeks speak latin too, so have I been a total dufus not realising that my romans speak actually greek and not latin?

**Tellos Athenaios** · 10-13-2006, 18:36

Originally Posted by Puupertti Ruma

My romans speak latin in 0.74. Actually my greeks speak latin too, so have I been a total dufus not realising that my romans speak actually greek and not latin?

Well, whatever your Romans do speak, it's clearly not some Ancient Greek: they say things like "Equites ad fundum" for example. A imaginative translation of the English "Riders in Wedge Formation".

Anyway to answer your question: the problem isn't due to Romans speaking the wrong language, instead the problem is part of the hardcoded culture group issue. And since the Successor states are based on the CVP Roman factions those Greeks actually get to speak Latin too in the Mod.

Using the fact that the culture issue isn't persistent in RTW 1.5, the EB team has managed to solve this rather weird and unwanted feature. And as far as I know they had thoughts of including a Greek Voice Mod too, so if I'm correct EB 0.8 will feature Latin voices for Romans, and Greek voices for Greek ones.

And then the only thing that remains (except of course all those other tongues) is this: will they manage to remove those anoying 'English' sentences you hear whenever some event (like a ram arriving at the enemy walls, or an enemy general slained) occurs, and replace them with their Latin or Greek counterparts?

**pezhetairoi** · 10-14-2006, 03:07

I'm certainly hoping I can see that about the rams and the victory announcements, I got so sick of it I just muted all voiceovers in the game just because of it!

I'm certain the EB team can get this done, because they've been so thorough even the routing troops shout 'run away, run away!' in latin. *is impressed*

Now, I'm just hoping I can hear the Greek and Celtic voiceovers. Speaking of which, the Britannic, um, Britons also spoke Celtic, didn't they?

**MSB** · 10-14-2006, 06:52

Originally Posted by pezhetairoi

Now, I'm just hoping I can hear the Greek and Celtic voiceovers. Speaking of which, the Britannic, um, Britons also spoke Celtic, didn't they?

I think that there were several Celtic languages (although I am not sure). However I would think that most of these languages would be very similar. Generally, however, in culture the Celts were usually the same with a few distinct differences that varied depending on where the Celts in question lived. I can't wait for a Celtic voiceover, both because I hate hearing them speak Latin and I want to see what the Celtic language was like.

GMT, I will ignore that comment for now, unless you make another one.