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    Captain Obvious Member Maizel's Avatar
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    Default Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    Come on, you know you can't keep it a secret forever ;)


    I find it hard to lose, without sending my general on a suicide attack. If I just order all units i have into a fight, I win anyway

    Anyone managed lo lose? while playing serious? Did you manage to lose at all?
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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    I lost the first time. I think my longbowmen shot Henry V in the back. I do wish they wouldn't do that.

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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    Won the first, lost the second, won the third...

    I think the only way you can really lose is if you do not deal with the rear cavalry attack appropriately...

    When I lost I had been had been running the billmen around a bit and they where still in motion and out of position when the cavalry attack turned up... The cavalry made the efoort to strike my manuvouring billman from the flanks and proceeded to cut them to bits. Plus one unit got past and smashed the longbow men on the left flank and proceeded to roll along the archers... King Henry went down fight in a mass of French dismounted nobles...

    In the third attempt I I put my infantry on guard (except of the King's unit whim I used as mobile trouble shooters) and left the billmen in the rear...

    I hardly had to lift a finger to win that time...
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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    To lose in that battle u must be an idiot. You just have to sit around and wait for victory.

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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    Well, I lost Pavia a couple of times.. (Mind you, my 3 FPS rate and really bad GFX were no help :P )

    Though, now after I picked the perfect settings with the smallest scale possible, it shows easy.

    P.S. Isn't it strange there are no difficulties?
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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    I played the demo... 7 times.. and i never lost 1 battle... Not to brag or someting but it isn't that hard.

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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    Quote Originally Posted by x-dANGEr
    Well, I lost Pavia a couple of times.. (Mind you, my 3 FPS rate and really bad GFX were no help :P )

    Though, now after I picked the perfect settings with the smallest scale possible, it shows easy.

    P.S. Isn't it strange there are no difficulties?
    Why can't i pick my unit sizes?

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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    Quote Originally Posted by x-dANGEr
    P.S. Isn't it strange there are no difficulties?
    the demo only supports the one AI setting. The real game of course will have many more options. I guess its CA's way of suprising us with potentially stronger AI.


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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    the French?

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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    I won but it was much closer than I expected
    England won the real battle with relatively low losses, I was left with only about 2-300 guys
    maybe those guys should be doing something more useful...

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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    yeah i won but with only King Henry`s unit and a few longbowmen.

    When I played I didnt really do anything, I just let the french come at me.
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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    First time I played it was a pyrhic victory, as I only had a handful of dismounted knights and longbowmen left. Second time was better but by then I was aware of the surprise element and cheesily planned accordingly!

    Pavia I lost first time and won the second, but I was concentrating on the new units and animations more than the actual battle. That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it.

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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    Having a lot of fun running around the battle feild with King Henry's army now...

    Try retreating to the big hill to the rear of your position, that is a laugh... You have to sacrific a unit to give you troops time to get there...

    I think I will try moving my units into the town, and possibly an all out attack to see what happens...

    Doing this really shows the scripted nature of the battle though... So units appear to be instructed to go to a position and attack, but if you have moved away they just hang around doing nothing. But other units appears to be scripted to attach certain of your units and will follow them all over the battlefield to do so...

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    Oh yes! Lost it the first time I played it because I switched off all the HUD buttons/icons etc. then went in close for a load of screenies and just to enjoy seeing the French cavalry slaughtered at the wooden stakes. Then I got the message that Henry was having a spot of bother and could I possibly help, looked up and the poor sod was completely surrounded by the French rear attack. King dies - Game Over

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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    Quote Originally Posted by cutepuppy
    the French?
    Yes but they were defeated by the mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibardfast
    Yes but they were defeated by the mud.
    And the arrows piercing their flesh.

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    I decided to just start the battle, ramp the speed up to 3.0, and wait.

    Guess what? Clear Victory! Henry, 5 of his bodyguard, and a unit of 30 or so yeoman archers (all arrows spent) were all I had left, but I still won without doing a single thing (doesn't seem like a Clear Victory to me, but that's what it said)!

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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    I actually lost Agincourt once, when King Henry managed to get killed in the cavalry charging in from behind (he was turned around and facing them though), kind of a bummer as the battle was really progressing well and I had very few casualties. The only other time I came close to loosing was when I watched out for blood effects and to admire the pretty graphics. Was left with 300 men at the end.

    The more I play the battles, the more I actually like Agincourt, I know it's simple and you hardly have to maneuver as opposed to Pavia, but the scale feels more epic and the High Era units are just much more to my liking than the Late Era units.

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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    Won Agincourt relatively easily.Agincourt ain't much of a challenge.I didn't lose ONE unit,and when units where having a hard time,I just sent henry in to deal with the French.Mind you,Henry's unit only lost 2 men:P

    But...my first battle,Pavia,I lost.Mainly because I thought I was watching a movie^^ I just sent my men in,and see how those finishing moves work and I gotta say,it's awesome Well done CA
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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderland
    And the arrows piercing their flesh.
    Mud! mud! Glorious mud!

    Was on one of those Battlefield Detective doco, thingie, whatsits on SBS.

    At the time of Agincourt English longbow bodkins couldn't pierce the latest in French military fashion for "Nobs on Horses" and the earth around Aginincourt is supposed to consist of this soil that if it gets churned up when wet turns into mud that is especially sticky to metals.

    All the French knights, mostly on foot and looking to cash in on ransoms for the very few English Nobs on location, charge up the narrowing rise churning up the mud like a mini-Somme and in their eagerness to "grab the cash" get bogged. The English then counter-charge and with most of them wearing leather and cloth based armours they slip and slide around and proceed to butcher the French who are stuck up to their waists in full plate armour.

    Ehh! Bloody weather!

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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    I lost the very first time I played it, at the preview event. I was actually already winning and they said 'now is the time to strike!' and all when I killed their general. I sent my general in a flanking attack, but apparently he ran into some spears and died, and my entire army (whom stim outnumbered the enemy 3 to 1) routed :p
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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    I lost. my main line was broken and my longbowmen couldnt keep up the pressure. Any tips?

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    I managed an Average Victory first time out as I got a 5 or 6 units chewed up pretty well. I really like those pole-axe armed English Dismounted Knights - they are good!

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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal99
    I lost. my main line was broken and my longbowmen couldnt keep up the pressure. Any tips?
    Use Henry's guard and the billmen unit on the right flank to bolster the line where it starts getting thinned out after using the two reserve units on the left flank to defeat the french rear attack, use them to also reinforce the line.

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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    Overall I thought the demo was pretty good, however, some of the battle animations are quite silly. People finishing each other off with headbutts and guys spinning around like ballerinas in full plate armour... As long as the Ai works in the full game though I may be able to look past these peculiarities.
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    I lost the first time because I didn't see the French charging from behind (was watching a different part of the field). King Henry's unit basically took a charge from the rear and he died.
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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    How could any experienced player lose without deliberately trying to? All I did the first time I won was to actively defend against the French flanking attack with billmen. The second time through I turned on flaming arrows, directed the arrow fire, and won even easier.
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    I’ve won most times its all about not letting Henry get in trouble since its hard to pull him back without him dying.

    The last few I played I went up the huge forested him at the back at the very beginning leave on unit of English knights to delay the French and used a melee first double lien formation. I just sat there with the archers on fire at will and the French who were running the whole way were exhausted as they reached the hill and were cut down in absolute droves since my archers were so high up it was awesome to watch and listen to, the sound of arrows in flight and being fired is perfect and great to listen to as is the sound of the arrow hitting a troop and the death screams as well as the thundering of running or marching infantry the sound works brilliantly.

    I noticed the AI is terrible tho in places When I had killed all their infantry the French cav stopped at the road like thing just behind your starting position refusing to advance up the (now covered with corpses) hill and crossbows were a long way off still on the muddy field So I marched down to the foot of the hill were I got my archers to unload on the chivaralic knights and generals bodyguard that were sitting there and the general stayed there not moving until he and his men died from arrows in probably about 2 mins the chivs just stayed in their spot as well then I fired at the chivs which died far more quickly and also didn’t move even tho there was another unit of chivs behind them as well. I crushed them mostly with arrow fire and a bit of melee then the crossbows that hadn’t moved were systematically shot to death with longbows. I hope the AI has improved since that old bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProudNerd
    I noticed the AI is terrible tho in places When I had killed all their infantry the French cav stopped at the road like thing just behind your starting position refusing to advance up the (now covered with corpses) hill and crossbows were a long way off still on the muddy field So I marched down to the foot of the hill were I got my archers to unload on the chivaralic knights and generals bodyguard that were sitting there and the general stayed there not moving until he and his men died from arrows in probably about 2 mins the chivs just stayed in their spot as well then I fired at the chivs which died far more quickly and also didn’t move even tho there was another unit of chivs behind them as well. I crushed them mostly with arrow fire and a bit of melee then the crossbows that hadn’t moved were systematically shot to death with longbows. I hope the AI has improved since that old bet.
    The demo battles, especially Agincourt, are heavily scripted, and not based off the AI. More than likely, you messed up the timing of the script...



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    Default Re: Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

    I haven't lost Agincourt the two times I played it, but I lost Pavia once or twice. Granted, I hadn't played a Total War game in months up till that point, so I was used to the controls of other RTS games. Now that I'm back into it, Pavia's a snap, too.

    Agincourt was real easy the first time. Honestly, I didn't even really do much. Like I said, I haven't played Total War in a while, so I forgot how to set up my troops. It wasn't till the French made contact with my battle line that I realized i set my guys up with the BACKS facing the French. Still won. I don't think I even lost a unit, maybe one Yeomen to that rear cavalry charge. Hell, one of my Yeomen units managed to not only survive a charge from the Chivalric Knights, but actually BEAT them in melee. Wierd. Surprisingly, I almost lost the second time I played. Came out with Francis, a couple units of Yeomen, and one unit of knights.

    Pavia's a ton of fun. I didn't really know what I was doing the first two times, but then I got my act togather and never lose it anymore. Pavia is all about the first two or three minutes. If you don't deal with Francis and his cavalry and the Scots Guard quickly enough, the Volgiers and Pikemen can catch you in the rear. Luckily on my third try, the first time I won, Francis died instantly upon making contact with my pikes. Then its just a matter of killing the waves of guys and then booking it across the field at full speed into the cannons.

    I've done Pavia twice without losing a single unit. I just finished a game about ten minutes ago. Didn't lose any units, though I almost lost my general. When he was charging the cannons, they shot and NAILED his unit taking them from 25 down to 4 instantly. Yikes.


    And ummm, anyone know why the battle screen is all white and stuff?
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