Who lost the battle of Agincourt?

[Leet Eriksson]

Yeah i had the same weird thing happen yesterday, the french knights broke through the landsknechts and formed an oppening, francis proceeded and charged through the opening and slaughtered some of my arquebus soldiers. Luckily either my arquebusiers or the spanish musketeers killed him, becuase my soldiers were occupied dealing with the scots guard and attacking voulgiers.

About agincourt, i left the battle alone without commanding or doing anything, and i won :|

[Beelzebub]

Im guessing that one lucky knight (or maybe just him and his horse's flying corpse) got through the spear wall and disrupted the formation enough that it created an opening for others to follow.

[Slartibardfast]

And the arrows piercing their flesh.

Mud! mud! Glorious mud!

Was on one of those Battlefield Detective doco, thingie, whatsits on SBS.

At the time of Agincourt English longbow bodkins couldn't pierce the latest in French military fashion for "Nobs on Horses" and the earth around Aginincourt is supposed to consist of this soil that if it gets churned up when wet turns into mud that is especially sticky to metals.

All the French knights, mostly on foot and looking to cash in on ransoms for the very few English Nobs on location, charge up the narrowing rise churning up the mud like a mini-Somme and in their eagerness to "grab the cash" get bogged. The English then counter-charge and with most of them wearing leather and cloth based armours they slip and slide around and proceed to butcher the French who are stuck up to their waists in full plate armour.

Ehh! Bloody weather!

[Soulflame]

I lost the very first time I played it, at the preview event. I was actually already winning and they said 'now is the time to strike!' and all when I killed their general. I sent my general in a flanking attack, but apparently he ran into some spears and died, and my entire army (whom stim outnumbered the enemy 3 to 1) routed :p

[Patriarch of Constantinople]

I lost. my main line was broken and my longbowmen couldnt keep up the pressure. Any tips?

[Barkhorn1x]

I managed an Average Victory first time out as I got a 5 or 6 units chewed up pretty well. I really like those pole-axe armed English Dismounted Knights - they are good!

Barkhorn.

[Beelzebub]

I lost. my main line was broken and my longbowmen couldnt keep up the pressure. Any tips?

Use Henry's guard and the billmen unit on the right flank to bolster the line where it starts getting thinned out after using the two reserve units on the left flank to defeat the french rear attack, use them to also reinforce the line.

[Wishazu]

Overall I thought the demo was pretty good, however, some of the battle animations are quite silly. People finishing each other off with headbutts and guys spinning around like ballerinas in full plate armour... As long as the Ai works in the full game though I may be able to look past these peculiarities.

[Kommodus]

I lost the first time because I didn't see the French charging from behind (was watching a different part of the field). King Henry's unit basically took a charge from the rear and he died.

[SpencerH]

How could any experienced player lose without deliberately trying to? All I did the first time I won was to actively defend against the French flanking attack with billmen. The second time through I turned on flaming arrows, directed the arrow fire, and won even easier.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I won off the bat. French charged right into my stakes, the cav did, then as the inf was close, I charge,use archers to shoot their flanks (tatic I learned on RTW MP) and never saw the cav attack from behind, but I barley,won :-).

[ProudNerd]

I’ve won most times its all about not letting Henry get in trouble since its hard to pull him back without him dying.

The last few I played I went up the huge forested him at the back at the very beginning leave on unit of English knights to delay the French and used a melee first double lien formation. I just sat there with the archers on fire at will and the French who were running the whole way were exhausted as they reached the hill and were cut down in absolute droves since my archers were so high up it was awesome to watch and listen to, the sound of arrows in flight and being fired is perfect and great to listen to as is the sound of the arrow hitting a troop and the death screams as well as the thundering of running or marching infantry the sound works brilliantly.

I noticed the AI is terrible tho in places When I had killed all their infantry the French cav stopped at the road like thing just behind your starting position refusing to advance up the (now covered with corpses) hill and crossbows were a long way off still on the muddy field So I marched down to the foot of the hill were I got my archers to unload on the chivaralic knights and generals bodyguard that were sitting there and the general stayed there not moving until he and his men died from arrows in probably about 2 mins the chivs just stayed in their spot as well then I fired at the chivs which died far more quickly and also didn’t move even tho there was another unit of chivs behind them as well. I crushed them mostly with arrow fire and a bit of melee then the crossbows that hadn’t moved were systematically shot to death with longbows. I hope the AI has improved since that old bet.

[Comrade Alexeo]

I noticed the AI is terrible tho in places When I had killed all their infantry the French cav stopped at the road like thing just behind your starting position refusing to advance up the (now covered with corpses) hill and crossbows were a long way off still on the muddy field So I marched down to the foot of the hill were I got my archers to unload on the chivaralic knights and generals bodyguard that were sitting there and the general stayed there not moving until he and his men died from arrows in probably about 2 mins the chivs just stayed in their spot as well then I fired at the chivs which died far more quickly and also didn’t move even tho there was another unit of chivs behind them as well. I crushed them mostly with arrow fire and a bit of melee then the crossbows that hadn’t moved were systematically shot to death with longbows. I hope the AI has improved since that old bet.

The demo battles, especially Agincourt, are heavily scripted, and not based off the AI. More than likely, you messed up the timing of the script...



Two days ago I watched the Battle of Agincourt and received a victory without any input whatsoever

Today, I decided to see if I could get anything better than an "Average Victory" in Pavia - which I kept getting over and over again - and, thanks to some superb commanding on my part I did in fact manage to get a "Clear Victory"

Silly me, I pressed the "Enter" key before I could printscreen the results, but I did manage to get one immediately afterwards so at least I have a record of how many troops I had left



Time for another smiley

[IPoseTheQuestionYouReturnTheAnswer]

I haven't lost Agincourt the two times I played it, but I lost Pavia once or twice. Granted, I hadn't played a Total War game in months up till that point, so I was used to the controls of other RTS games. Now that I'm back into it, Pavia's a snap, too.

Agincourt was real easy the first time. Honestly, I didn't even really do much. Like I said, I haven't played Total War in a while, so I forgot how to set up my troops. It wasn't till the French made contact with my battle line that I realized i set my guys up with the BACKS facing the French. Still won. I don't think I even lost a unit, maybe one Yeomen to that rear cavalry charge. Hell, one of my Yeomen units managed to not only survive a charge from the Chivalric Knights, but actually BEAT them in melee. Wierd. Surprisingly, I almost lost the second time I played. Came out with Francis, a couple units of Yeomen, and one unit of knights.

Pavia's a ton of fun. I didn't really know what I was doing the first two times, but then I got my act togather and never lose it anymore. Pavia is all about the first two or three minutes. If you don't deal with Francis and his cavalry and the Scots Guard quickly enough, the Volgiers and Pikemen can catch you in the rear. Luckily on my third try, the first time I won, Francis died instantly upon making contact with my pikes. Then its just a matter of killing the waves of guys and then booking it across the field at full speed into the cannons.

I've done Pavia twice without losing a single unit. I just finished a game about ten minutes ago. Didn't lose any units, though I almost lost my general. When he was charging the cannons, they shot and NAILED his unit taking them from 25 down to 4 instantly. Yikes.


And ummm, anyone know why the battle screen is all white and stuff?

[Dan.o6]

I thought it was pretty easy, once I had tuned the settings to increase my FPS.

[Bob the Insane]

I noticed the AI is terrible tho in places When I had killed all their infantry the French cav stopped at the road like thing just behind your starting position refusing to advance up the (now covered with corpses) hill and crossbows were a long way off still on the muddy field So I marched down to the foot of the hill were I got my archers to unload on the chivaralic knights and generals bodyguard that were sitting there and the general stayed there not moving until he and his men died from arrows in probably about 2 mins the chivs just stayed in their spot as well then I fired at the chivs which died far more quickly and also didn’t move even tho there was another unit of chivs behind them as well. I crushed them mostly with arrow fire and a bit of melee then the crossbows that hadn’t moved were systematically shot to death with longbows. I hope the AI has improved since that old bet.

Personally I think this is down to the scripted nature of the battle...

Some enemy units are instructed to move to a certain localation and attack anyone nearby (and thus when you move they tend to just stand around looking stupid). And some enemy units are instructed to attack particular units of yours and will ignore other targets and chase that unit all over the map...

It will be nice if the script of the historical battles is improving in the final release so trying cazy stuff does not break the battle, but I am not judging the final game's normal battle AI on this...

[Bombasticus Maximus]

I never lost at either of them, agincourt I just used firearrows and stayed in formation then crushed them.





At pavia I was just about to win as all the french had left we're crossbow men and the timer ran out so it said a draw.