diplomats - tactless ?

**m5000** · 10-07-2006, 22:09

what causes deplomats to get 'tactless'? is there a way to get rid of that? or how to avoid it?

**Dutch_guy** · 10-07-2006, 23:31

After a certain amount of failed negotiations your diplomat may pick up that vice. Meaning the only real (non cheating) way of avoiding this is by positively concluding negotiations - which can be a pain since the AI isn't famed for it's diplomatic cunning and intelligence.

**dacdac** · 10-07-2006, 23:32

if you try to bribe them or use any other means of diplomacy and they refuse several times in a row, he may aquire the tactless trait. To prevent it, make the deals good for the oppostition. Do deals you know they will take. The only ones i know not to try is to make any barbarians protectorate, theyll never accept even with a general in debt with one city and a riot. They wont accept

**m5000** · 10-08-2006, 00:23

hmmm, but do you know if the failures are cummmulative per game or per negotiations, e.g. if i fail a few times negotiating with one foreign diplomat, i understand there is a chance that i may get the trait, let's say i happen not to get it and i go on to negotiate with a different faction later - do my old failures count or is my failure counter at zero now?

**dacdac** · 10-08-2006, 01:57

with my diplomats, it is usually 3-5 failes diplomacies in a row, but with the same faction. I haven't tried doing some i know wont work, then try another faction and see if i get it. I don't use diplomats much unless i bribe armies and generals and get trade rights

**CaesarAugustus** · 10-08-2006, 02:03

Originally Posted by dacdac

if you try to bribe them or use any other means of diplomacy and they refuse several times in a row, he may aquire the tactless trait. To prevent it, make the deals good for the oppostition. Do deals you know they will take. The only ones i know not to try is to make any barbarians protectorate, theyll never accept even with a general in debt with one city and a riot. They wont accept

I made the Spanish a protectorate, and theyre barbarians.

**dacdac** · 10-08-2006, 03:55

well, it does work some times. It may depend on difficulty level as well. Ive nevr gotten a barbarian tribe to become protectorate, thats probably because killing them is so much more fun

**Severous** · 10-11-2006, 07:30

Hi

Playing RTW V1.5 on VH and any failed negotiation seems to cause a diplomats influence to go down.

Conversly if you use a diplomat to bribe an enemy general to your side then expect an influence gain for the diplomat (and lower resistance to bribe penalties in the general)