IGN Faction Feature: Holy Roman Empire

**Furious Mental** · 10-13-2006, 06:34

If you look at screenshots elsewhere you'll find that the Forlorn Hope wear only a half-armour compared to the full plate of the Zweihanders. I think the Forlorn Hope are probably alot faster on the battlefield.

Overall looks tasty. However when they say "shooting circle" in relation to the Reiters they had better be talking about a caracole and not a frikken cantabrian circle.

**Midnight** · 10-13-2006, 07:45

I'm glad to see that the HRE doesn't have to grab either Constantinople or Jerusalem.

**econ21** · 10-13-2006, 09:18

A very impressive army - I am not seeing any weaknesses, nor the "lack of professional" troops in the late period. Maybe all they lack are musketeers?

I like the sound of the smaller number of starting provinces (6) than MTW. I can start gradually against the surrounding rebels before facing the potential hell of a five front war.

**anders** · 10-13-2006, 11:04

im really looking forward to disrupt some tightly-packed infantry formations with my reiters.

what on earth is the difference between mailed and feudal knights, why are there no mounted mercenary knights, and no dismounted mailed knights?

also, shouldnt there be some kind of single-handed swordsman, similar to the chivalric MAAs?

**Prince of the Poodles** · 10-13-2006, 11:14

Could anyone tell me, historically, why the HRE wasnt able to field the "Professional Armies" of France and England, as mentioned in the bio?

**econ21** · 10-13-2006, 11:41

Originally Posted by Prince of the Poodles

Could anyone tell me, historically, why the HRE wasnt able to field the "Professional Armies" of France and England, as mentioned in the bio?

AFAIK, I believe it was because it was a less centralised state. The monarch (Emperor) in the HRE had less authority over the regions than the French or English Kings. This was particularly true towards the end of the period, when France was raising the beginnings of a standing army but the HRE found it harder and harder to get its constituent parts to commit men. I believe the HRE increasingly had to rely on mercenaries - professionals, I guess, but not a professional national army in the modern sense.

**Husar** · 10-13-2006, 11:53

Before I go and read it I have to say it's "Verlorener Haufen" not "Verlorene Haufe" and since that means a bunch of lost guys, I would also assume they are less armoured than Zweihanders and more like desperate high-morale troops.

**Prince of the Poodles** · 10-13-2006, 21:13

Originally Posted by econ21

AFAIK, I believe it was because it was a less centralised state. The monarch (Emperor) in the HRE had less authority over the regions than the French or English Kings. This was particularly true towards the end of the period, when France was raising the beginnings of a standing army but the HRE found it harder and harder to get its constituent parts to commit men. I believe the HRE increasingly had to rely on mercenaries - professionals, I guess, but not a professional national army in the modern sense.

Thanks man. 8)