Mi/we 1.03

[Nobunaga]

I want to ask about your opinion about MI 1.03 stats? How do u think about the overall gameplay and balance? I remember calvary speed was really high

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Where can I get it at m8??

[Nobunaga]

Here they are:

-The TroopStats.txt:

Projectile type: NONE = 0, LONG = 1, MTLG = 2, ARQB = 3, MSKT = 4, NINJ = 5
Unroutable: true = 1, false = 0
Marching speed: 1 - 24
Running speed: 1 - 24
Charging speed: 1 - 24
Minimum turning speed: 2 - 8
Maximum turning speed: 2 - 8
Max turning angle whilst in motion: 8 - 256
Speed at which soldier turns towards the direction of motion 8 - 8
Space between neighbours left and right: 30 - 125
Space between neighbours back and front: 30 - 125
Enemy engagement proximity threshold: 500 - 2000
Charge bonus: -6 - 12
Melee bonus: -6 - 12
Defence bonus: -6 - 12
Armour level: 1 - 12
Honour level: -4 - 8
Ammo ( arrows or bullets ): 0 - 255
Unit size (based on 60)


SamuraiArchers
{
1, 1, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 500, 2, -1, -1, 1, 0, 36, 60
}

YariSamurai
{
0, 1, 5, 8, 9.5, 2, 6, 8, 100, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -1, 2, 2, 2, 0, 60
}

Naginata
{
0, 1, 5, 8, 8, 2, 4, 8, 8, 75, 75, 1500, 2, -2, 10, 6, 8, 0, 60
}

Nodachi
{
0, 1, 5, 10, 12, 2, 8, 8, 100, 75, 75, 1500, 8, 4, -1, 1, 8, 0, 60
}

CavalryArchers
{
1, 1, 8, 23, 27.6, 2, 8, 8, 64, 115, 125, 2000, 15, 0, 0, 2, 2, 18, 60
}

HeavyCavalry
{
0, 1, 8, 20, 24, 2, 8, 8, 40, 115, 125, 2000, 14, 2, 6, 6, 6, 0, 60
}

YariCavalry
{
0, 1, 8, 24, 28.8, 2, 8, 8, 60, 115, 125, 2000, 20, 1, 1, 3, 4, 0, 60
}

YariAshigaru
{
0, 0, 5, 11.7, 14, 2, 4, 8, 8, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -4, -1, 0, -6, 0, 60
}

Phantoms
{
0, 0, 5, 10, 12, 2, 8, 8, 96, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -1, -1, 2, -4, 0, 1
}

Arquebusier
{
3, 0, 5, 7.5, 9, 2, 8, 8, 128, 75, 75, 500, 0, -8, -10, 1, -4, 10, 60
}

Musketeer
{
4, 0, 5, 8.4, 10, 2, 8, 8, 192, 75, 75, 500, 0, -8, -10, 2, -4, 15, 60
}

WarriorMonk
{
0, 1, 5, 10, 12, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 4, 4, 4, 0, 10, 0, 60
}

A_Ninja
{
5, 1, 8, 12.5, 15, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 300, 8, 8, 4, 2, 10, 10, 12
}

A_SwordsMan
{
0, 1, 5, 12.5, 15, 0, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 8, 18, 7, 0, 8, 0, 1
}

A_Mongol_Javelin_Thrower
{
6, 0, 5, 8, 10, 2, 8, 8, 192, 75, 75, 400, 0, -1, -1, 4, 0, 3, 60
}

A_Mongol_Spearman
{
0, 0, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 60
}

A_Mongol_Polearmsman
{
0, 0, 5, 7.5, 9, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 4, 1, 5, 3, 4, 0, 60
}

A_Grenadier
{
7, 0, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 256, 100, 100, 100, 0,-6, -3, 1, 4, 3, 30
}

An_Ashigaru_Xbowman
{
8, 0, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 96, 75, 75, 500, 0, -6, -3, 1, -5, 16, 60
}

A_Nijinata_Cavaleryman
{
0, 1, 8, 22, 26.4, 2, 8, 8, 40, 115, 125, 2000, 16, 4, 0, 4, 8, 0, 60
}

A_Mongol_Light_Cavaleryman
{
2, 0, 8, 24, 28.8, 2, 8, 8, 64, 115, 125, 2000, 11, 0, 0, 1, 4, 50, 60
}

A_Mongol_Heavy_Cavaleryman
{
0, 0, 8, 20, 24, 2, 8, 8, 40, 115, 125, 2000, 10, 2, 2, 5, 6, 0, 60
}

The projectiles.txt:

Projectile-type related stats:-

Length, Frequency, Range, Speed, Accuracy, Power, Reload, Is a gun?, Is Waterproof?

Longbow
{
35, 11, 5000, 150, 0.6, 0.5, 6, 0, 1
}

Mounted Longbow
{
20, 11, 5000, 150, 0.8, 0.25, 4, 0, 1
}

Arquebus
{
0, 15, 4000, 230, 0.12, 6.0, 33, 1, 0
}

Musket
{
0, 15, 5000, 230, 0.16, 3.6, 27, 1, 1
}

Ninja Star
{
0, 5, 1200, 100, 0.8, 1.2, 3, 0, 1
}

Javelin
{
0, 5, 1500, 80, 0.13, 1.0, 5, 0, 1
}

Grenade
{
0, 5, 1500, 90, 0.03, 6.0, 6, 0, 0
}

Crossbow
{
10, 5, 4000, 250, 0.15, 3.0, 15, 0, 1
}

[Puzz3D]

The cavalry speeds were not increased from v1.02 to v1.03. However, some of the cav in both v1.02 and v1.03 are increased over v1.01 which had the same speeds as original STW v1.12. In Samurai Wars, we've returned to original STW v1.12 speeds except charge speed is 10% higher than run speed, and the NC has the same speed as HC and CA. Hatamoto is silghtly faster than HC because they have the best horses.

I would not use v1.03 for SP campaign. That stat was designed for MP. What I would suggest is v1.01 or checkout this thread if you want to get back closer to original STW v1.12 gameplay.


(Cav walk, run, charge)

STW v1.12
----------

CA 8, 20, 20
HC 8, 20, 20
YC 10, 24, 24


STW/MI v1.01
--------------

CA 8, 20, 20
HC 8, 20, 20
YC 10, 24, 24
NC 8, 16, 20


STW/MI v1.02
--------------

CA 8, 23, 27.6
HC 8, 20, 24
YC 8, 24, 28.8
NC 8, 22, 26.4


STW/MI v1.03
--------------

CA 8, 23, 27.6
HC 8, 20, 24
YC 8, 24, 28.8
NC 8, 22, 26.4


STW/MI v1.05
--------------

CA 8, 23, 27.6
HC 8, 20, 24
YC 8, 24, 28.8
NC 8, 22, 26.4


Samurai Wars for MTW/VI v2.01
-------------------------------

CA 8, 20, 22
HC 8, 20, 22
YC 10, 24, 26
NC 8, 20, 22
Hatamoto 8, 22, 24

[TosaInu]

I would not use v1.03 for SP campaign. That stat was designed for MP.

Very true. But in my experience, it works very well in SP too. But it's just what you like.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

k, what file do I edit it into,then I be all set :-) :-)??

[Nobunaga]

The two files are: TroopStats.txt and projectiles.txt

here is a link to a thread that contain much more details about installation:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=22855

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

ok thanks m8, so I add this??

Projectile type: NONE = 0, LONG = 1, MTLG = 2, ARQB = 3, MSKT = 4, NINJ = 5
Unroutable: true = 1, false = 0
Marching speed: 1 - 24
Running speed: 1 - 24
Charging speed: 1 - 24
Minimum turning speed: 2 - 8
Maximum turning speed: 2 - 8
Max turning angle whilst in motion: 8 - 256
Speed at which soldier turns towards the direction of motion 8 - 8
Space between neighbours left and right: 30 - 125
Space between neighbours back and front: 30 - 125
Enemy engagement proximity threshold: 500 - 2000
Charge bonus: -6 - 12
Melee bonus: -6 - 12
Defence bonus: -6 - 12
Armour level: 1 - 12
Honour level: -4 - 8
Ammo ( arrows or bullets ): 0 - 255
Unit size (based on 60)


SamuraiArchers
{
1, 1, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 500, 2, -1, -1, 1, 0, 36, 60
}

YariSamurai
{
0, 1, 5, 8, 9.5, 2, 6, 8, 100, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -1, 2, 2, 2, 0, 60
}

Naginata
{
0, 1, 5, 8, 8, 2, 4, 8, 8, 75, 75, 1500, 2, -2, 10, 6, 8, 0, 60
}

Nodachi
{
0, 1, 5, 10, 12, 2, 8, 8, 100, 75, 75, 1500, 8, 4, -1, 1, 8, 0, 60
}

CavalryArchers
{
1, 1, 8, 23, 27.6, 2, 8, 8, 64, 115, 125, 2000, 15, 0, 0, 2, 2, 18, 60
}

HeavyCavalry
{
0, 1, 8, 20, 24, 2, 8, 8, 40, 115, 125, 2000, 14, 2, 6, 6, 6, 0, 60
}

YariCavalry
{
0, 1, 8, 24, 28.8, 2, 8, 8, 60, 115, 125, 2000, 20, 1, 1, 3, 4, 0, 60
}

YariAshigaru
{
0, 0, 5, 11.7, 14, 2, 4, 8, 8, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -4, -1, 0, -6, 0, 60
}

Phantoms
{
0, 0, 5, 10, 12, 2, 8, 8, 96, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -1, -1, 2, -4, 0, 1
}

Arquebusier
{
3, 0, 5, 7.5, 9, 2, 8, 8, 128, 75, 75, 500, 0, -8, -10, 1, -4, 10, 60
}

Musketeer
{
4, 0, 5, 8.4, 10, 2, 8, 8, 192, 75, 75, 500, 0, -8, -10, 2, -4, 15, 60
}

WarriorMonk
{
0, 1, 5, 10, 12, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 4, 4, 4, 0, 10, 0, 60
}

A_Ninja
{
5, 1, 8, 12.5, 15, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 300, 8, 8, 4, 2, 10, 10, 12
}

A_SwordsMan
{
0, 1, 5, 12.5, 15, 0, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 8, 18, 7, 0, 8, 0, 1
}

A_Mongol_Javelin_Thrower
{
6, 0, 5, 8, 10, 2, 8, 8, 192, 75, 75, 400, 0, -1, -1, 4, 0, 3, 60
}

A_Mongol_Spearman
{
0, 0, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 60
}

A_Mongol_Polearmsman
{
0, 0, 5, 7.5, 9, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 4, 1, 5, 3, 4, 0, 60
}

A_Grenadier
{
7, 0, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 256, 100, 100, 100, 0,-6, -3, 1, 4, 3, 30
}

An_Ashigaru_Xbowman
{
8, 0, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 96, 75, 75, 500, 0, -6, -3, 1, -5, 16, 60
}

A_Nijinata_Cavaleryman
{
0, 1, 8, 22, 26.4, 2, 8, 8, 40, 115, 125, 2000, 16, 4, 0, 4, 8, 0, 60
}

A_Mongol_Light_Cavaleryman
{
2, 0, 8, 24, 28.8, 2, 8, 8, 64, 115, 125, 2000, 11, 0, 0, 1, 4, 50, 60
}

A_Mongol_Heavy_Cavaleryman
{
0, 0, 8, 20, 24, 2, 8, 8, 40, 115, 125, 2000, 10, 2, 2, 5, 6, 0, 60
}

The projectiles.txt:

Projectile-type related stats:-

Length, Frequency, Range, Speed, Accuracy, Power, Reload, Is a gun?, Is Waterproof?

Longbow
{
35, 11, 5000, 150, 0.6, 0.5, 6, 0, 1
}

Mounted Longbow
{
20, 11, 5000, 150, 0.8, 0.25, 4, 0, 1
}

Arquebus
{
0, 15, 4000, 230, 0.12, 6.0, 33, 1, 0
}

Musket
{
0, 15, 5000, 230, 0.16, 3.6, 27, 1, 1
}

Ninja Star
{
0, 5, 1200, 100, 0.8, 1.2, 3, 0, 1
}

Javelin
{
0, 5, 1500, 80, 0.13, 1.0, 5, 0, 1
}

Grenade
{
0, 5, 1500, 90, 0.03, 6.0, 6, 0, 0
}

Crossbow
{
10, 5, 4000, 250, 0.15, 3.0, 15, 0, 1
}

[Nobunaga]

yep you only change the contents of the 2 files. 1.03 is not an official patch it is only a stat developed by the stw community

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Ok, I went into those two files and took out the orginial stuff (I downloaded from the link you gave me) and added that stuff you told me to. So,it should work now,right :-) :-)??

[Nobunaga]

yep it should

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

ok thanks m8 :-)

[Nobunaga]

no problem :)

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I'm going to do some online stuff Tonight and tomarrow, to see if it works, hopefully it works, and mabye I see some of you guys online then :-) :-)

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Hey,

I got a ploblem :-(..It saids it still the 1.00 patch, and not 1.03, should I get 1.02 first then 1.03??

[Nobunaga]

you need to have 1.02 first.

remeber that 1.03 are only stats so even after putting them the game's version will be 1.02

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

k thanks. I'll look around for 1.02, and if I can't find it, I'll be back :-)

thanks guys,cya on STW (hopefully on Saturday/Sunday) :-)

[Nobunaga]

no problem

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

unless I'm stupid or not looking hard enough, I can't find it. Can I have the link to it please??

[Drisos]

It's findable trough google:

http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/gam..._euro.exe.html

Select one of the public servers. Need any help, instructions are at the link 'About this file'.

Good luck, and perhaps see you sometime in the foyer!

[Nobunaga]

http://www.3ddownloads.com/totalwar/...ize&order=desc

this contain all stw patches

[Nobunaga]

i was doing some tests and i noticed that heavy calvary beats yari calvary in 1.03???

[Drisos]

i was doing some tests and i noticed that heavy calvary beats yari calvary in 1.03???

I never tested 1.03, so I'm not sure. But it would be odd if that were true... are you 100% sure you had the same honour-weapon-armour levels?

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

k thanks m8 :-) :-) .. Do I install 1.02, and the files I editied to 1.03 stays the same??


Update:

I am getting 1.02 for MI (I got gold edition,doesn't matter,right?)
so once I install it, and update it again to 1.03,it should work,right??

[Nobunaga]

Originally posted by Drisos:

I never tested 1.03, so I'm not sure. But it would be odd if that were true... are you 100% sure you had the same honour-weapon-armour levels?

well i made the test on ironing bord, both units had no weapon and aromor upgrades and both were of honour two. the heavy cavalry is always winning.

i will check the stats again and make sure they are 1.03 maybe i messed them up by mistake

[R'as al Ghul]

Keep in mind that anything else but "normal" difficulty gives a bonus to either AI or player.

R'as

[Nobunaga]

Originally posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

k thanks m8 :-) :-) .. Do I install 1.02, and the files I editied to 1.03 stays the same??

Update:

I am getting 1.02 for MI (I got gold edition,doesn't matter,right?)
so once I install it, and update it again to 1.03,it should work,right??

Well if you have the gold edition you don't need the 1.02 patch, the gold edition comes already updated. all you have to do is change the troopstats and projectile files

[Nobunaga]

Originally posted by R'as al Ghul
Keep in mind that anything else but "normal" difficulty gives a bonus to either AI or player.

normal difficulty gives bonus to the player in mtw but i remeber that it didn't give any bonus to the AI nor the player in STW.

the thing is i tried: YC vs HC with the AI the HC: result HC wins
and i tried: HC vs YC with the AI the YC: result HC wins

today I will recheck the stats (i suspect i messed them up by mistake) and i will do some lan tests.

[R'as al Ghul]

normal difficulty gives bonus to the player in mtw but i remeber that it didn't give any bonus to the AI nor the player in STW.

Normal shouldn't give any bonus, that's my point.
In MTW there's definitely no bonus on "normal", I assumed that's true for STW as well, but I'm not sure.
YariCav can beat HCav in Samurai Warlords because of the anti-cav bonus for YariCav. HCav was designed to be the strongest unit in STW, iirc.
I guess Yuuki can clarify this.

R'as

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Well if you have the gold edition you don't need the 1.02 patch, the gold edition comes already updated. all you have to do is change the troopstats and projectile files

K m8, I'll check it out and re-fix,thanks