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Anyone else think this reeks of the Klu Klux Klan?

Do you possibly mean that there is the faintest whiff of small minded racist bigotry in that statement ?
I hadn't really noticed .

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Oh please. Now who's making harsh judgements?

I don't know where you all live but it must happen all over. Here in Belgium many immigrants (mostly the North Africans and Turks) indulge in their role as victims (which they are to a certain extend). They use their status as less fortunate as an excuse.

I honestly don't know anybody that hasn't had some bad experiences with immigrants. Beeing mugged, sexually harrased, ... Make a remark and your a racist or suddenly ten other immigrants turn up.

As I said, I don't know the situation where all of you live and what the situation is overthere but I don't consider Fragony a racist for saying what he said. It is the present situation, unfortunatly.

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I agree.

Fragony can be a bit sharp in his comments and sometimes very cynical, but I don't think of him as a racist.

He's just saying what a lot of other people think but don't dare to say because of the terror of the so called "politically correct thinking" as it is cultivated in Belgium and the Netherlands.

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The harshness is based on the content of his posts .

If someone constantly makes posts where the only issue that they have with the topic is either the race or religeon of the people involved , then what word would you use to describe it Andres ?
Or alternately just in case you are a little confused , if someone makes a post where they say they are going out to beat up immigrants to teach them a lesson , as a certain poster who shall remain nameless in this post has , then what particular type of ideology would you attribute to that person ?

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I'm pretty pissed off sometimes with the behaviour of "allochtonen" (is there an English word for that anyway?), but "terror"? Who's playing the victim now?
This thread wasn't about immigrants in the first place.

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I'm an immigrant, my wife is an immigrant. In fact one in four Australians are immigrants.

In all likely hood the football thugs were not and neither was the Jewish man. Just to add more dimensions to this there are Jews in Football and Jews who own Football clubs in Aussie rules... it isn't like they keep themselves separate from the game. No this was a bunch of bullies, being bullies. The type of guys who are brave when they move in packs and have drunk alcohol, so those who like a challenge can try and defend their actions. I don't however see how this is an issue to do with immigration.

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My comment was about the 'whites girls and the elderly' part. Here in the US we had (and unfortunatly still have) a group called the Klu Klux Klan. They have a long and rather interesting history, but basically serves as a club for weak men who are afraid of Jews, Blacks, Catholics, and all non-WASPS. They have a habit of talking about how 'Blacks are after our young white women' because they think it arouses more fear in people than saying the Blacks are after "Our white men".

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Jimbob, you made me think of this

http://www.jahozafat.com/php/sounds/...e=whitewmn.wav

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1. White in America is used to encompass everyone of European heritage. People these days blame whites for everything and I still cant figure out why. We to seem keen on giving ourselves this guilt trip.

2. Emmet Till and 1955 Mississippi couldnt be a worse comparisson to the 2006 west.

3. Why is it everyone who dosent treat these immagrants as saints branded as racists? Can you begin to imgane if this happen in Iran or Mexico? We would call the whites idoits for moving to a country and then try to put in place there culture as the domaninet one. But its ok if the Mexicans do it in Texas or California or the Muslims in Holland or France becuase we are white and we need to open our arms to these poor people becuase we put them in that sutuaion. This is insanity.

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1) Yes white in America means people of European heritage. But here's the thing, there is not one single European heritage, so celebrating white heritage is rather pointless. Celebrating German or Irish or Russian heritage would make more sense.
Black is the same way, East Africa, South Africa, West Africa all are different culturally, yet all the people there are black.
2) People also blame blacks for everything, what would be worrying is if a large number of people believed that a race was responsible for most things. If you can demonstrate that, then you have an argument.
3) I honestly don't feel guilty about what white people did hundreds of years ago, and I have never met another white person who does. I think it is terrible, and I feel sympathy for the people who were brutalized, and some amount of scorn for the people who did it.

Tribesman has got the point. Mr. Brooks said it better than I could have.
No, Lao-Tzu and 400 BC China would probably be worse. But beside that, why not? You say that immigrants get away with murder, I say white people do too. But if you don't like Emmett Till we'll try something else, bring me the evidence that immigrants are getting away with murder anymore than another section of society.


Proof please.

Let's see in the US:
I didn't know that Spanish was the official language, that anywhere had been officially renamed Aztlan, or that we were required to take Mexican history courses in high school.
People come in with different cultures. They bring those cultures and mix them with the current one, especially in democratic societies.


Now let me ask you a question:
What about the Greeks, Italians, Russians, Poles. They all have ethnic enclaves where they speak their native tounge. There are parts of the Greektown in Chicago where no one speaks English. They cook their native foods, they wear traditional dress. What should we do about them?

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Why is it everyone who dosent treat these immagrants as saints branded as racists?
Strike , what is the basis you use for treating someone differently ?

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Obsessed? Bitter because of bad experiences? I admit "racist" would be another possibility. But I think it's not appropriate to become personal and to judge other members of this community.


Maybe it's a racist. Maybe it's somebody who suffered a lot, became angry and reacts in the wrong way. Maybe it's somebody who likes to provoke. But as stated before, who am I to judge other members of the community?


Guess you misunderstood. I meant the terror of the "politiek correct denken", not the "terror of immigrants". I just meant the attitude of certain media and politicians who tend to call other people a racist if they claim that for a good integration policy you also need repressive mesures.

And as you and Pape said, this thread is not about immigrants.

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I didn't misunderstand, it was my own poor wording in my reply. Political correctness is way past its peak and on its way out (though every now and then there's a PC incident that hits the news of course)
People need to stop crying about it and stop pretending they're treated like second class citizens in their own country.

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But it's good victimization! How could you ask another person to abandon his own pretense of victimization for some other, less securely righteous position?

Come on, we all know modern society has compassion for victims; some people who aren't real victims then want to be victims too.

Quite frankly, if your politicians scream "racist" at everyone else, then it's your politicians' fault, not the evil colored people. Do you blame every Jews for that terrible lobbying organization in the USA that apparently* makes the US Israel's little puppet in foreign policy? Of course not.

*apparently

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Many thanks

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