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    I could care less, really. I can't remember the last album I bought from a major label (excepting, maybe, Nuclear Blast). Tape trading was kind of a big deal back in the day, but it was way less accessible than the intarwebs. I'll just keep doing what I'm doing.

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    What the record companies are doing is nothing compared to the new 'standards' the movie industry is trying to enforce with the new HD DVD and Blu Ray formats. Pretty much ALL your hardware will need to be specially made so you wouldn't be able to copy anything (incl the motherboard).
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc_bean
    What the record companies are doing is nothing compared to the new 'standards' the movie industry is trying to enforce with the new HD DVD and Blu Ray formats. Pretty much ALL your hardware will need to be specially made so you wouldn't be able to copy anything (incl the motherboard).
    But I want one of these AWESOME ps3 consoles :(

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    What should be done ? The record companies should finally accept that it's time to change their business model. Actually, they are trying to do that, by redefining the notion of ownership, and changing the situation from the consumer _owning_ something into the consumer _renting_ something, and paying for it every time it rents it.

    It's disgusting how the oh-so-righteous big guys complaing that the "pirates" take the poor artist's money, when in fact it's the big record labels who actually do that. What's the percent that the artist sees from the price of a CD?
    Also, all these "figures" - they're all so vague and hand-wavy... on the one hand sales have increased to record levels, on the other hand "we are starving because of the piracy"... yeah, right.

    Keep locking out the consumer, keep making it a crime to copy your own stuff -- ooops, my bad, it's never gonna be your own again, you're just renting it --, and we'll all be criminals...

    If there was no DRM crap, if they didn't try to lock you out into a certain technology, if they didn't charge ridiculous prices, people _would_ buy. How come the price of a CD has not only not decreased, but increased over the years ? Surely the technology has advanced from 30 years ago, has it not ? So then how come I'm charged more ? It sure as heck ain't the quality

    I haven't bought a music album in a veeeery long time, and I will continue not to. I did get a bunch of used CDs a while ago, in some non-mainstream CD-shops - great stuff (at great prices, too)! But buying "new" stuff, at full price - no, thanks. Somehow, I'll survive, I'm sure.

    edit: oh, and btw, as for the announcement, the comments on slyck said that there was nothing in the press in brazil today about this. Go figure.
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    It's the age old arms vs. armour game. One takes the lead temporarily, then the other. Back and forth, on and on. This is nothing different.

    But IMHO, the "arts industry" has absolutely been their own worst enemy. They treat the consumer like a pirate, make the consumer empathize with the pirate, and then turn the consumer into a pirate. The security measures they are introducing to protect material are insulting to the average consumer and do nothing but create animosity between the consumer and the company.

    Besides, charging $20+ for an album that has been out for ten (thirty?) years, has been played on the radio fifteen thousand times, and now resides on a CD that cost the company ten cents to make, well, you're just begging people to rip you off.

    On the other hand, I just bought four classic albums last week on CD for the charming price of $9.99 each. Good quality CDs with a nice booklet inside. I'll pay ten bucks. I think that's reasonable.
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    Another thing: if I'm buying my music in digital format, then let me friggin do whatever I want with it! Don't lock me onto a single platform (iPod or whatever), don't fill it with DRM crap, not allowing me to move it between my various music-playing devices, and DON'T sell it to me at some crappy quality - what's wrong with lossless ?

    I can't have this ? Damn, then I guess you can't have my money, either.
    Sadly, for every "me", there'll be 20 middle-class moms and dads who'll shell out the cash without blinking or thinking. Why question anything, that's the way it is, now move on and don't block the way, please, sheeple!
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    DRM is I assume the .wma and m4p/m4v file formats? If so, they can be cracked easily. Just convert them to mp3's. Is FLAC the new mp3? I know it's not used a lot now, but I assume that it's gaining ground?

    You know this just doesn't make any sense at all. They are inconveniencing their own customers and leaving the pirates to do a land office business supplying the needs of their own frustrated customers. The Spanish tried to prevent their colonists in the new world from trading with anyone other than the Spanish government and it was great for the British smugglers. This sort of thing doesn't work regardless of how much control you have. The black market in the former Soviet Union is a case in point. A totalitarian state was unable to control the 'pirates' even under with such Draconian controls. Apple, Sony, and Microsoft have no chance of succeeding. They will in all likelihood succeed in reducing their market share and sales, but little else IMHO.

    Microsoft especially should know better. They rose to prominence because IBM was not willing to supply PC customers with what they wanted, preferring to deal with business machines. They thought that the PC market wasn't for them and music and gaming was better left to the smaller companies. I recall talking with a dealer at an IBM outlet telling me that they didn't even have gaming ports on their computers. They also tried to force a proprietary operating system and architecture on their customers. It didn't work for IBM then, and it will not work today.
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    Live music is the future. Look at the Drive-By Truckers, you can get every song they've ever written free and legal on . Yet they still make enough money because 1) they're music is good enough that people want to buy their albums and 2) they play a show that people want to see, and then they tour almost constantly.
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