Casino royal pain in the butt.

[Fragony]

Now this must have been a oh crap moment for legitimate businessmen.

In Argentina a woman throwed 5 centano's (which is absolutily nothing) into a machine and won 9 million euro's. That is the kind of thing legitimate businessmen hate to see, so they simply told her the machine was defect et voila byebye thank you for chosing us, if there is any way we can enrich your gambling experience throw it in the bin outside. Of course that wasn't what she wanted to hear, so she clutches the machine and refuses to let it go untill the police and the lawyers arive. The casino offers her 9000 euro now, which she refuses for some reason. This is going to be fun.

[Spino]

Well I don't know what Argentina's gambling laws are like but I daresay in any other major industrialized nation if a casino posts the maximum jackpot amount on any given machine or on a sign pertaining to a specific area of machines and some lucky person hits the big one then it's time to pony up the cash.

However since we're talking about Argentina I'm almost afraid to suggest that its gambling industry might be like that found in the US back in the 50s, 60s & 70s (i.e. run in large part by the mob). Ah, the good old days... when casinos didn't just ban card counters, they gave 'em a good beating before kicking 'em out da front door!

I wish her the best of luck.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Ah, the good old days... when casinos didn't just ban card counters, they gave 'em a good beating before kicking 'em out da front door!

Oh paleeese. Nobody tossed the beating victims out the FRONT door -- that'd've been bad for business. There are plenty of side exits and loading docks in such facilities after all.....

[Oaty]

Well at least in the U.S., the Casino has no access to the jackpot as it is in an escrow account

[professorspatula]

She'd have been in a better position to barter for her cash if she brought a gun with her. Helps get the seriousness of your stance across.

So always bring a gun to casino when the house refuses to pay out.

And some body armour in case they have guns too.

But if they aim for the head, you're pretty much stuffed.

So bring a tank along too.

Brilliant all round protection, guaranteed to help tip the balance of any argument in your favour (and plenty of storage space to store all your loot as you do a runner).

So I have no sympathy for people like her who just go to these things unprepared.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

She'd have been in a better position to barter for her cash if she brought a gun with her. Helps get the seriousness of your stance across.

So always bring a gun to casino when the house refuses to pay out.

And some body armour in case they have guns too.

But if they aim for the head, you're pretty much stuffed.

So bring a tank along too.

Brilliant all round protection, guaranteed to help tip the balance of any argument in your favour (and plenty of storage space to store all your loot as you do a runner).

So I have no sympathy for people like her who just go to these things unprepared.

That was one of the best posts I've read all day. Thank you.

[Papewaio]

Well at least in the U.S., the Casino has no access to the jackpot as it is in an escrow account

Pity pensions aren't so well looked after...

[Navaros]

I hear stuff like this happens in North America too, ie: winning blackjack players (who don't cheat) get banned from casinos simply because they win.

Good lesson in this thread: all casinos are scams, don't ever go in one for any reason whatsover.

[yesdachi]

I think gambling is great fun; just don’t ever expect to win. The misses likes it too, whenever we go (there are loads of Indian casinos in MI) we set a limit and when we run out of money or time we quit. If we are in the plus we usually have a nice dinner there (sometimes even stay the night ) if not we stop at Shoney's and drive home.

If Big Chief Takeallyourmoney didn’t pay up when people win, people wouldn’t go back. They make a mint off us suckers; paying-out is just a small cost of doing business. Don’t know about Argentina but I would guess if people found out the casino wouldn’t pay its winners it would cost them some business.

[whyidie]

I think gambling is great fun; just don’t ever expect to win. The misses likes it too, whenever we go (there are loads of Indian casinos in MI) we set a limit and when we run out of money or time we quit. If we are in the plus we usually have a nice dinner there (sometimes even stay the night ) if not we stop at Shoney's and drive home.

If Big Chief Takeallyourmoney didn’t pay up when people win, people wouldn’t go back. They make a mint off us suckers; paying-out is just a small cost of doing business. Don’t know about Argentina but I would guess if people found out the casino wouldn’t pay its winners it would cost them some business.

The nice thing about you spending your money at the Indian casinos is that in a way you are funding your GOP representative! Yeeehaw, nothing like good old family values!

[Soulforged]

Now this must have been a oh crap moment for legitimate businessmen.

In Argentina a woman throwed 5 centano's (which is absolutily nothing) into a machine and won 9 million euro's. That is the kind of thing legitimate businessmen hate to see, so they simply told her the machine was defect et voila byebye thank you for chosing us, if there is any way we can enrich your gambling experience throw it in the bin outside. Of course that wasn't what she wanted to hear, so she clutches the machine and refuses to let it go untill the police and the lawyers arive. The casino offers her 9000 euro now, which she refuses for some reason. This is going to be fun.

Yes this happened four blocks away from my house actually... I'll not say that I don't find it akward to see this posted on the backroom...
It's not centanos but "centavos". The sum that she won was 35.663.093,02 pesos, I think the equivalent is something near 9 million euros as you posted. Now one important thing to consider is that this is one of the biggest (is not the biggest) Casinos in sudamerica (at least they say so), so 35 million pesos is a big sum but one that they can afford (Bingo Mirador, after the name of the "barrio" in wich I live). The funny thing is that this Casino opened 3 or 4 months ago, and I actually applied to get a job there (I heard that some employees are well payed). Some employees atribute the error to the agents in charge of the programing of the machines.

Well I don't know what Argentina's gambling laws are like but I daresay in any other major industrialized nation if a casino posts the maximum jackpot amount on any given machine or on a sign pertaining to a specific area of machines and some lucky person hits the big one then it's time to pony up the cash.

I'll try to find out what the law is on the Province of Buenos Aires, it's pretty complex and this case might be alive for quite sometime. However is not that our laws are outdated, you do right in assume that they could be, what's really outdated is the administrative and juridic process.

[Mooks]

There was a casino where I used to live (Indian casino, oklahoma). They let anyone in, but when somebody won and they were underage they didnt let you keep the money, if you lost they didnt care at all.

If the machine is mis-programmed than that is the casino's fault and should give the money to the winner, and try again next time (Maybe hire better programmers)

[Fragony]

Yes this happened four blocks away from my house actually...

Kewl, how did it turn out? Did the cheap pricks pay her?

[Soulforged]

Kewl, how did it turn out? Did the cheap pricks pay her?

Well they're still dealing with it. This will rarely reach trial.

About the legal part: The law in the province states that the amount won has to be proportional to the amount played in a row following the game standards and regulations (wich is set by the Lotery of Buenos Aires in this case). Since in this case she played 5 centavos (wich is related to the peso in the same way a cent is related to a dollar) she cannot win 35 million pesos, it seems the maximum she's entitled to is 2500 pesos, wich was the first offer the company made to the woman.

If the machine is mis-programmed than that is the casino's fault and should give the money to the winner, and try again next time (Maybe hire better programmers)

I disagree. Is totally unreasonable to pay based on the amount displayed on the machine. By this logic if the machine fails at some point and shows such a big quantity of money that would make the company break, if payed, that could end with enterprises from one day to another just like that. I find the rule of proportionality to be more reasonable.

[Mooks]

I disagree. Is totally unreasonable to pay based on the amount displayed on the machine. By this logic if the machine fails at some point and shows such a big quantity of money that would make the company break, if payed, that could end with enterprises from one day to another just like that. I find the rule of proportionality to be more reasonable.

Youve convinced me. Bravo

[Fragony]

I disagree. Is totally unreasonable to pay based on the amount displayed on the machine. By this logic if the machine fails at some point and shows such a big quantity of money that would make the company break, if payed, that could end with enterprises from one day to another just like that. I find the rule of proportionality to be more reasonable.

A casino is a place for gambling, that works both ways. If the machine gives a one in a million chance insane amount of money, well, chance is their business. They should pay.

[Major Robert Dump]

bogus. a business venture goes both ways. if you cant afford the rissk of failure then you dont deserve to be in business anyways. what the casino needs to do is pay this sap her money and sue whoever is responsible for the machine malfunctioning. if a lube shop puts out a sign that says "oil change 20 dollars" and an oil change is actually 40 dollars, its not the customers fault. if they dont pay this lady they deserve to be ruined.

boohoo, an enterpise that makes mad profit off of peoples spending indescretions (people who are usually drunk, i might add) might face some hard times because of their own indescretions. waaaaaaaaaah! waaaaaaaah!

[Soulforged]

A casino is a place for gambling, that works both ways. If the machine gives a one in a million chance insane amount of money, well, chance is their business. They should pay.

That's your opinion, fine by me. I think it's unreasonable. The gambling, however goes one way, from the people to the casino, the casino only invests and saves as far as capital goes.

bogus. a business venture goes both ways. if you cant afford the rissk of failure then you dont deserve to be in business anyways. what the casino needs to do is pay this sap her money and sue whoever is responsible for the machine malfunctioning. if a lube shop puts out a sign that says "oil change 20 dollars" and an oil change is actually 40 dollars, its not the customers fault. if they dont pay this lady they deserve to be ruined.

And I suppose you know the difference between an error, and not even a substancial one, but just nominal (the machine showing more than the person should win), and a voluntary act like you described. The consequences cannot be the same you would be breaking a simple principle of justice.

Besides there's lot of things to consider. We're talking about Argentina here, not the first world. If there's a thing that marks Argentina's history is the constant failure of enterprises outside agriculture. Now, you tell me that the progress of a society should be sacrificed for the luxury of only one person.

If it's still an error I think no company should pay in the industry of gambling and if there's no damage, this includes prosperous countries like USA. Just go back in your own history, I think that the industry of gambling is one of the pillars that helped the USA to rise from economic depression. Just imagine if their prosperity had been ruined by ocasional mistakes.

[Caius]

Now this must have been a oh crap moment for legitimate businessmen.

In Argentina a woman throwed 5 centano's (which is absolutily nothing) into a machine and won 9 million euro's. That is the kind of thing legitimate businessmen hate to see, so they simply told her the machine was defect et voila byebye thank you for chosing us, if there is any way we can enrich your gambling experience throw it in the bin outside. Of course that wasn't what she wanted to hear, so she clutches the machine and refuses to let it go untill the police and the lawyers arive. The casino offers her 9000 euro now, which she refuses for some reason. This is going to be fun.

The casino offers she 35000 pesos, but she refused it and She winned the amount of money.It was payed by The Loteria de Buenos Aires(Soulforged translate that)

[Uesugi Kenshin]

The Lottery of Buenos Aires.