The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Already responded, it's interesting you like to pretend I didn't.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=396

I'm still waiting. If you already posted, post it again.

Voting someone to start discussion is standard practice. Even if you don't choose to do it personally it's not suspicious. Day 1 is all about discussion.

You complain that my post was ridiculous. Explain why. Rampant abstention hurts the town, this is fact. Why is one line a problem? There are dozens of one line posts. I believe I've made some of the longest posts in this thread to date. I was responding to your post which was much shorter.

No it isn't. Making a medium-sized post analyzing the situation is. You vote for someone when you think they did it, or the person with the most votes didn't do it. At that time, I really had nothing to offer and since Silver's games seem to be notorious for deadlines, I wanted to make sure I had something in.

It sends discussion in the wrong direction. Odds are greatly in favor of it being a mafia plant or just meaningless. The mafia want you to waste time discussing it. There is plenty of precedent for this.

Ok, fine. But look at it this way: How much would your suspicions of me have differed had I not posted that little analysis?

How could something so weak convince you?

It wasn't weak. Kommodus is an extremely smart player who learns from his mistakes. Engineering that kind of frame is right up his alley.

I'm sorry, but this makes you look more guilty. Mafia often worry about being seen as bandwagoning and will say they find someone suspicious and then vote them in a later post.

Yeah, I know. I did that with BKS in the last game. Don't you think that if I were mafia this time that I would have changed the strategy up?

Oh, entirely. I can see why you avoided responding to my post if this was all you had to offer. Myrddraal makes a much better case for his innocence.

Oh, please. Those are my reasons. I don't even know why I continue to argue. The townspeople made the right decision.

This game is starting to make me sick to my stomach. That's never happened before.

[Xiahou]

I find it really interesting Sasaki that you posted that one line and not the entire PM that I sent you, back when I thought Prole and Xiahou were mafia and Xiahou never responded. Could HE be your partner?

I never responded because I took it as an amusing frameup attempt confirming your mafia role- asking me to post a sign in a different board here to acknowledge your "plan".

Honestly, it was pretty transparent. It would make no sense at all for me to leave a "secret" message on the public boards here when there would be numerous other ways for me to communicate(PMs for example) were I actually mafia.

So then, why make such an oddball request? Because you know already that I'm not mafia and in making such an odd offer it would also make me think that you're innocent as well. That PM, combined with your other public statements are the reasons I've been trying to get you lynched from round1.

You may be new at this, but your new guy mistake was overplaying you're new guy status to try and dodge suspicion.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Sasaki, you're way off the mark, and so is anyone else, in suspecting a link between me and Don.
Sasaki in particular is way off in his suspicion of, basically, every single one of my posts.

You're a master player; even after your death you attempt to continue your cause, be it for mafia or village.

Xiahou: there's been only one time of us voting and then unvoting for each other, and that was because Don used a random voting thing, which got him votes from other people who he didn't select.

Right now I'm suspicious of Don, Xiahou, Sigurd, GH, and Myrrdral.

All would be good choices for a mafioso. Well, Don has the right name for it, and he can claim ignorance as a defense (which he has). Xiahou performed well as a first time mafioso, going out after Sasaki, legendary spinmaster. Sigurd was a teflon Godfather in Sasaki's first game, and Myrrdral seems like a good player.

Also, RTWGuru is acting strange.

Gah, I'll come back tommorow after my exam.

CR

[Ignoramus]

RTWGuru is just crazy about his new forum game, I doubt he's in the mafia.

[Xiahou]

Xiahou: there's been only one time of us voting and then unvoting for each other, and that was because Don used a random voting thing, which got him votes from other people who he didn't select.

Even with the vote exchange withstanding, Don is most likely mafia. He sent the PM as a clear attempt to gain a defender in lynch votes and when that didn't pan out he's now using the PM to frame up one of his main accusers(me).

edit: I suppose, following the PM saga, that Proletariat can't be entirely ruled out either...

[Death Match]

Hello everybody! I like to tell you NOT to vote for Don Corleone! It is absurd thinking that he is guilty! I really have nobody to suspect so:

Vote: No-Lynch

[Ignoramus]

You really are asking to be lynched aren't you?

[Csargo]

Hello everybody! I like to tell you NOT to vote for Don Corleone! It is absurd thinking that he is guilty! I really have nobody to suspect so:

Vote: No-Lynch

The Mafia kills haven't been posted yet

That's all I'm saying.

[Ignoramus]

"...plus time for Silver to log on, check his PMs, and rewrite the kills."

This is what GH said after the roles had been given out, but before the game actually started. I find this suspicious, especially the "rewrite the kills".

[GeneralHankerchief]

"...plus time for Silver to log on, check his PMs, and rewrite the kills."

This is what GH said after the roles had been given out, but before the game actually started. I find this suspicious, especially the "rewrite the kills".

That was based on Silver's new rule that the kills wouldn't appear exactly as he received them.

[Don Corleone]

Actually, Xiahou, I sent that PM to you and Prole just to see what sort of reaction I would get. I did find your 'no answer' sort of odd, so when I believed Sasaki was innocent, I mentioned it to him. BUT, I had already changed my mind about you and didn't think you were mafia a while ago. The reason the PM I sent to you and Prole came up again was because Sasaki brought it up.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure Sasaki was mafia. I'm 95% confident. But I'll tell you what. If the mafia kill two of us tonight, I'll vote myself. (Edit: Never mind, that's a bogus offer. If I am mafia, I'll just convince my coworker to only make one kill). Is there anything I can do, or should we just lynch me to be safe at this point? If we do, we're going to lose 3 innocent people, as we've wasted a townie (me) and another game turn (2 more mafia kills).

As for who the other mafia might be, I haven't a clue. I have several suspicions. What's more, we're focusing on people that have posted, but here we are, 1/3 of the way into the game, and there's about 5 or 6 people that haven't posted, and 4 more that haven't posted anything substantive.

It's a pretty easy day for the mafia if they don't have to say anything until they're one of 6 people left in the game, don't you think?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Now that we have a few rounds of voting, its time to begin the trends analysis that I was using last time.

Inactive Voters [1 "active" vote or fewer in 4 rounds (with runoff)]:

Destroyer = No Vote, No Vote, No Vote, No Vote (likely suicide?)
Dutch Guy = Abstain, Drisos, No Vote, Abstain
Evil Maniac = No Vote, No Vote, Abstain, Abstain
Masy = Abstain, Drisos, No Vote, No Vote
Myrdraal** = Abstain, No Vote, Kommodus, Abstain
Peasant Phil= Gen. Hanky, Abstain, Abstain, No Vote
Proletariat = Abstain, No Vote, Husar, No Vote
Sigurd = Abstain, Abstain, Kommodus, No Vote*

* attempted to vote Don Corleone in round #4
** Active poster throughout

Most of these folks have been posting in a fairly limited fashion as well. Based on one game of experience (I know, I know...) this style is reasonably normal for Proletariat, Peasant Phil, & Evil Maniac.

Half of our living players have failed to register more than 1 "active" vote! Meanwhile, DonC/Sasaki/Hanky are creating enough bandwidth noise with their dispute that any attempt to bring in the lurkers might fail for lack of space.

I'm gonna start combing through the rounds of votes and comments looking for patterns -- probably skip the runoff though, as it is too limited to shine lots of light on anything.

I would hope to get EVERYONE more active in the discussion.


Edited: Removed Cowhead, who had voted in R3.

[Death Match]

EDIT: Accidently posted a spam and is now deleted

[Death Match]

Stop making suggestions and make an action. If you know who the detective is, tell that person to investigate somebody.

Investigate me! Investigate theRTWGuru! Innocent - not because I'm the Godfather, because I'm NOBODY. WOW. Let's get some action going.

Not only are my posts always ignored, the detective (yes I did not say "our detective" because of several complaints) does NOTHING! The Mafia are like killing random people, the Godfather must be VERY bored, and SO AM I!!!!

Action! 3-2-1- GOOOOOOO....

[Dutch_guy]

Stop making suggestions and make an action. If you know who the detective is, tell that person to investigate somebody.

Investigate me! Investigate theRTWGuru! Innocent - not because I'm the Godfather, because I'm NOBODY. WOW. Let's get some action going.

Not only are my posts always ignored, the detective (yes I did not say "our detective" because of several complaints) does NOTHING! The Mafia are like killing random people, the Godfather must be VERY bored, and SO AM I!!!!

Action! 3-2-1- GOOOOOOO....

Well I don't think the Godfather is VERY bored, he's merely following the events (and posts like the quoted) with due interest and joy. It's posts like the quoted that make him happy, I'm sorry to say.

[Drisos]

Can we see the PM? Don C acted very suspiciously at the start of the game, and since then he's put a lot of effort into being very 'townie'. Of course that could be the mafia who realised his mistake, it even seems likely that this is the case. Anyway, lets see it.

I'm terribly sorry... I deleted it dumb action of mine..

Well I don't remember how exactly it was written but it was just one question: "Is there a good reason for you pointing your finger at RTWGuru?" It seemed like he wanted to know if I had some evidence, so he might want to vote RTWGuru. I replied, saying that I hadn't, apart from just my intuition after reading the thread.

Well.. draw your conclusions...

I guess this puts RTWGuru higher on the suspicion list as well... the list is getting long though. The mafia will probably have to kill some of them in the endgame, so less will remain with still a couple of executions to go...

[Don Corleone]

I'm actually going to have to be much more inactive. My wife has come down with the flu and I need to spend a lot less time on the computer when I'm not at work. I'm telling you all this because you're going to notice a stark change in my behavior, right when I start getting investegated. If you can't come up with anybody to lynch this round, feel free to vote me. Mrs. Corleone will thank you.

[Husar]

Not only are my posts always ignored,

Are you ignoring my posts?
I often feel ignored as well, but I am happy not to get any responses where someone deflates my whole post and has a lengthy critique about each and every of my points, pulling suspicion out of his nose, either.
Maybe my friends in the Mafia won't ignore me in the next set of kills...

[Sigurd]

I'm actually going to have to be much more inactive. My wife has come down with the flu and I need to spend a lot less time on the computer when I'm not at work. I'm telling you all this because you're going to notice a stark change in my behavior, right when I start getting investegated. If you can't come up with anybody to lynch this round, feel free to vote me. Mrs. Corleone will thank you.

That's alright Don... I believe you.
I will not vote for you next round.
I believe you are a regular townie.

[Sigurd]

All mafia games need drama to stay interesting. I believe I contribute to this by my inputs.
This game is however derailing into a big argument and I am particularly concerned by GH feeling it physically.
These games should be played with tongue in cheek and funny dialogue. Some of you seem to take this a little too serious. You should not make enemies in these games, just new friends.

I believe Sasaki is playing this game tongue in cheek because that is how I interpret it.
Let’s take a step back and play like old buddies where snide remarks are taken with good humour. This might not be common in your local culture, but please let’s make it so.

Having said this…
I feel we need to move to the next game. The mafia will surely loose this round and I am going to make it happen.
Kommodus had an uber method of finding Mafiosi. I will top him by using one of the old navy methods and give you the players of this game.

Crazed Rabbit our detective has probably investigated me already and found me innocent.
Sasaki a Mafioso got lynched last round, while his companion Seamus Fermanagh… is still alive.
Both were chosen by our Godfather … Ignoramus.
Vote Ignoramus as I surely will get wiped out this round.

[Myrddraal]

Wow. You sound pretty convinced. Why?

[Xiahou]

Well, Ignoramus would certainly follow the theory of Prole's from round1. It would also seem to match the eerie words Lemur left us from the great beyond after his untimely death.

I do doubt that the mafia would kill you now, however, because it would prove you innocent and lend credence to your claims(hmm, unless of course you're wrong in which case they'd want to lend credence to your erroneous claims). Nonetheless, the above information along with your claims are enough for me to think it's worth a shot to lynch Ignoramus just to see if there is any truth to your claims.

[Kommodus]

Voice from the dead: Lisssssten to Ssssigurd, he knowsssssss what he'ssssss talking aboooouuuuut.

If you lynch Ignoramus and the game is still going, though, lynch Sigurd for being wrong twice. He's a smart guy and would only be wrong twice if he was guilty.

[Sigurd]

Wow. You sound pretty convinced. Why?

You came up as and alternative to Seamus... hmm.

Anyway vote Ignoramus and the game surely ends.

[Myrddraal]

You came up as and alternative to Seamus... hmm.

Well I'd still like to know why... I hope you don't mind.

I'm very tempted to vote, because a gamble where the stakes are winning the game is a gamble worth taking. But it kinda goes against my whole attitude to vote without reasoning...

[Proletariat]

I'm going with Sigurd this round. Big gamble, but worth it. Sig know's he's dead next if he's wrong, so we might as well shoot for it here.

[Proletariat]

edit: I suppose, following the PM saga, that Proletariat can't be entirely ruled out either...

Huh? I post on a lark about Lemur's past in these games, you agree and piggyback my post, Don therefore lumps us together as mafioso and somehow I get implied by you as well?

Do you think that I contacted Don privately, said something like, 'I'm gonna go drop a line about Lemur that's a total crock, when Xiahou takes the obvious bait and agrees in the thread, you Don, come riding through accusing Xman and me of being in the mafia! mwahahaha, perfect crime, those fools will never know'

[Husar]

This is almost as good as a talkshow.

[Myrddraal]

This is almost as good as a talkshow.

edited to correct smiley

[Crazed Rabbit]

Eh, I'm most definately not the detective. If we have any doctors they can feel free to protect me, in case the mafia believes Sigurd and tries to off me.

Sigurd, You've got to have some more explaination for Ignoramous. How do we know you aren't just leading us around?

CR
PS I do heartily agree with Sigurd on the need to keep these games fun and not deadly serious.