The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Xiahou]

Huh? I post on a lark about Lemur's past in these games, you agree and piggyback my post, Don therefore lumps us together as mafioso and somehow I get implied by you as well?

Do you think that I contacted Don privately, said something like, 'I'm gonna go drop a line about Lemur that's a total crock, when Xiahou takes the obvious bait and agrees in the thread, you Don, come riding through accusing Xman and me of being in the mafia! mwahahaha, perfect crime, those fools will never know'

No, I was talking about the PM Don sent us both. When I was talking about it's implications to his apparent guilt it occurred to me that I had to consider at least the remote possibility that you were in on it with him. To do otherwise would have been remiss of me in my role as one of the paranoid townsfolk.

Ignoramus, OTOH, fits in very nicely with your earlier theory (that I also subscribe to) that Lemur's death was a revenge killing of sorts. We suspected DivineWind or Ignoramus. Lemur's words from beyond seemed to clearly point to Ignoramus- and now these latest accusations also point to Ignoramus.

In light of this, I'm willing to put Don on the back burner for now to lynch Ignoramus. If Ignoramus truly is the godfather, Don's guilt or innocence will be irrelevant.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is almost as good as a talkshow.

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Ignoramus has just posted a couple times to say "hmm no one suspicious". I do disagree with your assessment of Crazed as detective and me as mafioso though sigurd.

[Silver Rusher]

Day breaks in the Gameroom. All is quiet.

theRTWGuru was determined not to leave his house aside from executions. He had made this choice ever since the first two kills, and had been faithful to this rule ever since. There was only one problem:

He ran out of toilet paper.

TRG was debating on whether to break this infraction just the one time, up until he had to actually go and use a substitute material. Then, it was no contest. Cursing to himself, he got into his car and drove to the store.

Upon arriving home, he noticed a new addition to his street: A van, with the words “Vincenzo’s Guttering” printed on the side, was parked near his house. Where had he seen this van before…?

With a slightly increased air of caution, TRG got out of his car and walked up to the door of his house, turning the handle. When opening it, the back of his mind noticed that it was slightly harder to open than usual. Upon entering the foyer, TRG had about a split second to notice that an elaborate rigging system had been set up.

Then, the rigging system made its purpose known. A pot with a liter’s worth of hot coffee flew directly at him, breaking the glass and scalding TRG in many places. He barely had time to react before the mafioso charged down the stairs, firing away with his tommy gun.

Upwards of 25 bullets were placed in theRTWguru’s person before the mafioso finally stopped. As he left, he flipped a silver coin onto the corpse beside him.

Chief of Police Divine Wind walked out of the Get Yer 'orses Stable towards the expectant crowd later that morning, leading 4 horses behind him.

"These are the finest stallions of all the land." DW began. "Whoever is chosen responsible for TRG's death will have his arms tied to the horses and his legs tied to this here tree. The horses will then be wipped. Not a good way to go. Get voting."

Status List

Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru

Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro

Still alive:
Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Csar
GeneralHankerchief
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Seamus Fernanagh
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Xiahou
Peasant Phill
Cowhead418
Dutch_guy
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Destroyer of Hope
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

[Seamus Fermanagh]

4 Points for consideration:

A. Possible Detective Action: Assuming you've cleared DW, PM him your results ( I noted no rule prohibition of this). Since he is unlynchable, he can serve as a deposit point for the investigations. And, if more than one detective contacts him, a target list can be developed.

B. All of our contentious votes, thus far, have involved Don C. There is no specific pattern of vengeance murders regarding votes for or against him, but I think we will need to explore these votes (R1, R2) as the field narrows.

C. Prole': He's been mentioned a time or two, but you are the only one to vote for Husar. What's your thought here?

D. Sigurd is coming over as the voice of reason regarding re-toning the discussion to produce evidence (and taking it less personally). In the CN game, he and cowhead were rewarding for beginning to steer the discussion in the correct direction with quick lynchings. On what basis do the Sigurd detractors think he's hinky? Explain a bit more please.

Point of Personal Privilege:

-- I am not a mafiosi. My reticence over the weekend was due to my attendance at the exemplificiation of the 4th degree, KofC, here in the Old Dominion. Feel free to Google it if you wish. We brought in a large class of 200+ new Sir Kinghts! I am back now, and happily analyzing votes/discussion. Also, since mafiosi were picked this time, and not at random, what Godfather in their correct senses would choose a guy who loves to analyze track records and publish them as one of his made men? Too many chances for a slip up.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

RIP Guru we hardly knew ye.

RTWguru:

Newbie to .org; very active poster in discussions on this thread. Voted for Don Corleone in R1, Did not vote in the runoff, Voted for Kommodus in R2, and lodged the only "No Lynch" vote of the entire game immediately prior to his own terminal lead poisoning.

p.s. Who's the fan of XXX who went for the scalding coffee thing?

[Sigurd]

I will drum up the Bandwagon then... come join me fellow townies... one, two, three, four.
Vote for Ignoramus
one, two, three four.. you know the rest.

Vote: Ignoramus

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hah, at least some of my accusations must have been accurate. Of course if I were mafia I would have accused a bunch of people anyway. Still, it looks like I accomplished what I intended.

[Dutch_guy]

Eh, I'm most definately not the detective. If we have any doctors they can feel free to protect me, in case the mafia believes Sigurd and tries to off me.

Sigurd, You've got to have some more explaination for Ignoramous. How do we know you aren't just leading us around?

CR
PS I do heartily agree with Sigurd on the need to keep these games fun and not deadly serious.

Well, there is no doctor.

Personally Sigurd, I'd like to know why you think Ignoramus is so guilty. His posting behavior is exactly the same as in other games, and he hasn't made any posts which contain a sufficient amount of data needed to find someone guilty in my opinion.

PS: Let me be the third one to agree, these games are meant to be fun as well as challenging.

PPS: just wanted to edit this message, I'm off to bed now, so I'll be back and ready tomorrow (afternoon)

[Csargo]

Vote: Ignoramus

I don't much like you anyways :P

[Silver Rusher]

Point of info for everyone: Revealing your role to single players at a time is forbidden. It is a rule included in the detective's PM, not in the thread.

[Masy]

I will drum up the Bandwagon then... come join me fellow townies... one, two, three, four.
Vote for Ignoramus
one, two, three four.. you know the rest.

Vote: Ignoramus

Why? He's not done anything...or is that what you're getting at?

I have my suspicions of several characters, but I shall wait until the oppertune moment before I divulge my info.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Why? He's not done anything...or is that what you're getting at?

I have my suspicions of several characters, but I shall wait until the oppertune moment before I divulge my info.

Masy:

If you have suspicions, why not share some of the whys and wherefors? And why have you been so "inactive" in voting despite activity in discussion?

Sigurd:

A bit more on the why's to take out the Ignoramus, please. And why have you been so "inactive" in voting (though part of that was a late vote I know) despite activity in discussion?

Dutch Guy:

I agree that Siggy should be more forthcoming. And why have you been so "inactive" in voting despite activity in discussion?

....some might note a theme here...


Edit: used wrong form of emphasis to highlight dutchies name 1st time.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Eh that's interesting. It's a poor townie play to name someone as detective if you have reason to believe they are Sigurd. Lynching Ignoramus may be cool and all, but it's probably not a good idea to let Sigurd get it done easily. I can't see getting yourself lynched for the sake of one townie as being worthwhile but then maybe he knows something I don't know.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Abstain

I'm taking this round off.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Voting analysis note:

3 of the 4 who voted to/changed votes in order to lynch Sasaki were Abstainers in the 1st round, though all voted in every subsequent vote:

Csar, Don Coreleone, Gen. Hanky.

The 4th lining up to kill Sasaki was:

Crazed Rabbit, who had voted for Drisos in R1, but skipped R1b and R2.


Since the Sasaki vote was easily the most contentious, with votes changing up to a fairly short time before the deadline and with only a few votes deciding the kill, this may have been a mafioso ploy to select the target of the lynch.

To be fair, with 8 not voting and a couple of abstaintions, this point is not absolute.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Crazed Rabbit:

Why did you quote Michael Corleone from the Godfather Part Two in lodging your 1st round retaliation vote against Don C.? In the movie, of course, this was a Godfather speaking to a made man/brother in his own family about that made man's betrayal.

[Cowhead418]

I'm going to Vote: Ignoramus. Last time someone was this confident in a mafia game the town won the next round. Also, if anyone needs remembering, Ignoramus voted for himself in round one. Now, people who have done this before (Lemur, Kagemusha) were townies and it does seem like a stupid thing to do so early, but consider this:

Round one, there was a contested three-way vote between DW, DC, and Drisos. Near the end of the round Ignoramus jumps in and votes for himself, thinking that it was safe to do so because it was unlikely a bandwagon would be started. Also, surely the town would think this is just another villager acting stupid and thus not worth the trouble of lynching? Finally, remember that in the last Godfather, IIRC Aggony Duck voted for himself and was killed by SR next round. No such action was taken on Ignoramus. Ever since that first round, he has been very quiet and has successfully avoided detection - until now.

On the other hand, If the game does not end, then Sigurd will be in hot water. I remember how 'certain' you were in Gotta Have More Mafia about Tiberius, and I won't forget how you led the town astray. You better be right.

PS: @ Seamus - your notes on my voting record are wrong. I voted RTWGuru last round.

[Husar]

4 Points for consideration:

A. Possible Detective Action: Assuming you've cleared DW, PM him your results ( I noted no rule prohibition of this). Since he is unlynchable, he can serve as a deposit point for the investigations. And, if more than one detective contacts him, a target list can be developed.

Despite Silver saying that this is forbidden, if Divine Wind is the Godfather, this is a pretty stupid thing to do and gives me the idea that you may be a mafioso who had exactly this in mind.

B. All of our contentious votes, thus far, have involved Don C. There is no specific pattern of vengeance murders regarding votes for or against him, but I think we will need to explore these votes (R1, R2) as the field narrows.

I think now that Don C is not guilty because I do not believe he would use his wife as a cheap excuse to get out of the affair, if that isn't enough for anyone, he mentioned this problem in other game threads as well.

C. Prole': He's been mentioned a time or two, but you are the only one to vote for Husar. What's your thought here?

Yes, voting for such an innocent cute guy as me...
Well, I have neither anything against nor for Prole but I think her decision was also forged in the chat, details shall never be revealed.

Crazed Rabbit our detective has probably investigated me already and found me innocent.
Sasaki a Mafioso got lynched last round, while his companion Seamus Fermanagh… is still alive.
Both were chosen by our Godfather … Ignoramus.
Vote Ignoramus as I surely will get wiped out this round.

Let's try to apply some logic guesses here:
1. Sasaki might be mafia + one kill this round
2. Sigurd may be mafia + my reply to the first quote in this post
3. you were not wiped out last round, instead someone remotely suspicious got killed
4. Crazed Rabbit might be detective but denies any knowledge

Vote: Ignoramus for now.

[Xiahou]

Vote: Ignoramus

Let's get to the bottom of this.

It also seems the Seamus may be trying to subtly fan the fires of suspicion on DonC- all the more reason to "test" the Ignoramus hypothesis.

[Myrddraal]

Bandwagon alert!

I know Ignoramus will be lynched next turn, it is the wisest thing to do. Nonetheless, I would like to see what the evidence against him is...

[Csargo]

Well there buddy if more people visited the Chat they would know what it's about know wouldn't they I have just seen some very convincing evidence.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well there buddy if more people visited the Chat they would know what it's about know wouldn't they I have just seen some very convincing evidence.

Deja vu lol

[Csargo]

Deja vu lol

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, oh yeah you can't go in there can you.

[Ignoramus]

This is nonsense. Sigurd hasn't given a single piece of evidence that I am one of the mafia.

Sigurd's evidence for accusing Kommodus was extremely weak.

I am not one of the mafia, and jumping on a bandwagon of an innocent villager at this time is not at all wise.

If Sigurd's not producing evidence, but says he's certain, then something is wrong.

[Csargo]

This is nonsense. Sigurd hasn't given a single piece of evidence that I am one of the mafia.

Sigurd's evidence for accusing Kommodus was extremely weak.

I am not one of the mafia, and jumping on a bandwagon of an innocent villager at this time is not at all wise.

If Sigurd's not producing evidence, but says he's certain, then something is wrong.

He can't post the evidence it's a PM from you. You can't take screenshots and post them here or atleast none of the other games you couldn't. If Silver says it's ok I'll post the PM screenshot if not then we in the chat can only tell you about it.

[Proletariat]

Ignoramus has to go, this is just too silly. Chatroom gossip ftw

Vote: Ignoramus

[Myrddraal]

If it's a PM, can't you just post the text here???

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I suspect Ignoramus sent him a pm saying "hey hows it goin" and Sigurd instantly realized it was an attempt to frame him

j/k m8 I'm just curious

[Ignoramus]

I am innocent.

I did send the following message to Sigurd:

"Hello, my mafia henchman. You are progressing well so far, I have a nice piece of information for you.

Crazed Rabbit is the detective. He foolishly told me his role in attempt to wrok together against the mafia. Little did he know he was talking directly to the Godfather himself.

Go get him.

The Godfather."

I sent it as a trap. If Sigurd was one of the mafia(as I suspected strongly), Crazed Rabbit would get killed next round and I could expose him. If Sigurd is innocent, which I almost am certain now(because he believes Crazed Rabbit is the detective), then I would never have sent that message to him if I was innocent.

If I was the Godfather, I would know who the mafia were, and thus Sigurd can't be one of the mafia, otherwise he wouldn't vote for me because he'd lose if I was killed, therefore I can't be the Godfather because I wouldn't have sent that message to an innocent villager.

The two people who defended me were: Masy and Dutch_Guy. That is I think suspicious. If they were innocent, they would jump at a reasonable chance of knocking off the Godfather.

Ignoramus.

[Husar]

My version is you confuzzled Seamus and Sigurd or were in a haste, made a big mistake and have to hang now.
If I am wrong, it still proves my point that PM tricks are bad because they tend to backfire...
Should you not be the Godfather, we can still lynch Sigurd, but so far I want to lynch you my dear.

edit: 1000 rubber points for the one who notices a big logical flaw in my last post.