The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Csargo]

Crap I missed the Deadline. Sorry guys I don't have time right now I've got alot of crap going on hopefully I'll be on in time for the next vote.

[Cowhead418]

Damn... I was gone all day today and yesterday, so I missed this round (I also missed voting in the Black Hand). However, I think we made a mistake. If we had not lynched GHC, the next set of kills would have told us much. If GH was killed, then his credibility would have been confirmed. And if he wasn't, then maybe he could have got in one more investigation before he is killed (we'd probably have him lynched at that point). Right now we need Myrd to chip in with a few words.

PS: Did anyone notice this tidbit?

10 players will remain after the next set of murders, so there shall be no more Wrath of God. PM's please.

There are only 11 players alive at this point, so the narrator might have just confirmed the death of one mafioso! This gives GH more credibility, though nothing is ever certain.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There are only 11 players alive at this point, so the narrator might have just confirmed the death of one mafioso! This gives GH more credibility, though nothing is ever certain.

Yeah...cause GH being a mafioso would in no way lead to there being one kill tonight


Look at the pm guys:

• They both investigate me round four when only one of them needed to, if they were detectives they would have thought of that
• The phone number is American (like GH) while Silver is British
• If GH was detective he wouldn't have outed Myrddraal and put him at risk.
• Neither of them made an effort to prevent Ignoramus from being lynched, even though according to GH they had found him innocent
• The pm doesn't mention that they aren't allowed to post screenshots to prove their role, which it would if it were genuine
• "An extra detective" doesn't qualify as a twist. Also, if this is a twist, what is the meaning of the bolded words in some of Silver's descriptions?
• GH hadn't gotten enough votes for him to really need to claim

[Husar]

2 of the 3 who voted for Don Corleone twice are dead (good luck Husar!)

I really wonder who wants to frame Don there...

[Don Corleone]

Hey, go ahead and lynch me. Other than nailing Sasaki, there's not much else I have to offer. I'm clueless on the GH/Mydraal detective angle. If we need a ritual killing on Monday night, I'm meeting friends for Monday Night Football, make it me.

But, Sigurd hasn't said boo in what, a week now? What's up with that?

[GeneralHankerchief]

[Kommodus]

@GH: why did you reveal Myrddraal as the other detective? It would put him in unnecessary danger from being killed by the mafia. I'm sorry, but no real detective would do that.

The rules in the PM indicated that the detectives had to be revealed together publicly. Anyway that's how I read them.

Having caught up on the recent activity I have this to say:

My word but you are full of it, Sasaki! I can't believe you got the town to lynch one of their detectives - again! You're simply getting too good at this. Well played, my friend, well played.

Well, that means the detectives can no longer successfully investigate the Godfather. That'll make the end of the game interesting, since essentially the town needs to get lucky in order to win. I wouldn't be surprised to see Myrddraal survive for quite a while now, since his threat is effectively ended. The town gains little, if anything, from lynching the other mafia goon.

I can't say I have much sympathy for the townspeople in this game, though. Again and again they've made the wrong decision when the information needed to make the correct one (or at least a better one) was available to them. If they believe your BS arguments, they deserve their fate. There are going to be a lot of people kicking themselves when this is all over.

Well, the mafia are due for another victory anyway. I'll enjoy reading the ending.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That's not what the pm said though:

You are allowed to reveal yourself (and your partner) to everyone at any time during the game while you are still alive.

He is allowed to reveal himself, and he is allowed to reveal his partner. It doesn't say they both have to be revealed at the same time.

Also: the town gains much from lynching another mafia goon. If there are two mafia, there being 6 left it will be lynch or lose. If there is only one goon left at that point they have another shot with 4 left. 1/6 +1/4 > 1/3*1/4

Of course, since the detective is already dead there's no point in that discussion.


I disagree, the town is in a very good position. The mafia goofed with their pm, as neither they nor you have been able to dispute. Does reinterpreting the partner reveal rules change your mind about me?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ugh.

Sasaki... just... congrats. Once again you have managed to manipulate the town and have them do your bidding, even in death. I admire your persistance at this game; in Cosa Nuova when you were mafia you just bowed out after dying. Just the town's luck that this game you decide to play all the way through.

A quick response to all of his points, not that it matters since he succeeded in getting rid of me.

• They both investigate me round four when only one of them needed to, if they were detectives they would have thought of that
• The phone number is American (like GH) while Silver is British
• If GH was detective he wouldn't have outed Myrddraal and put him at risk.
• Neither of them made an effort to prevent Ignoramus from being lynched, even though according to GH they had found him innocent
• The pm doesn't mention that they aren't allowed to post screenshots to prove their role, which it would if it were genuine
• "An extra detective" doesn't qualify as a twist. Also, if this is a twist, what is the meaning of the bolded words in some of Silver's descriptions?
• GH hadn't gotten enough votes for him to really need to claim

#1: This was an error on our part. As previously said, we were just used to investigating the same person.

#2: No idea about this. I think the eight-digit thing corresponds to the last five numbers representing the word "MAFIA." So I get lynched based on a phone number that Silver did for a little effect.

#3: Not outing Myrddraal would have required a lot of time to change the PM around, time which I did not have. At that point I was convinced that the bandwagon would roll against me, and you would happily push it along. Getting a quick reveal in was Priority #1.

#4: That is a lie. We never investigated Ignoramus, and Sigurd was only found innocent after Ig was lynched.

#5: It is mentioned in the first post of the thread.

#6: Oh wow, so you're suddenly the universal definer of what a twist is? I believe that it is up to Silver on what falls into the realm of a twist in his game.

#7: See #3. At the time I thought I had two out of the three votes cast.

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This game has taxed me to the limit, but I will do my best to limit the damage and still try to pull off a Town victory. But I hope that a game this nasty and cutthroat is never played again. As said before, there's a reason why I don't go in the Backroom. Mafia needs to be fun first. Not the exhausting psychological marathon that it has become.

Anyway, a premature congrats to Sasaki and his two mafia buddies on their victory. Well played gentlemen, well played.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

#1: This was an error on our part. As previously said, we were just used to investigating the same person.

I believe you're better at being detective than that.

#2: No idea about this. I think the eight-digit thing corresponds to the last five numbers representing the word "MAFIA." So I get lynched based on a phone number that Silver did for a little effect.

The last 5 numbers don't represent the word mafia though. The 2nd number is '2' which could only be D E or F. Not A. The 555 thing is only in America. I don't know what British telephone numbers look like but the wikipedia article made it sound like they all start with 0 or something but I don't see how that works. Regardless, Silver wouldn't have used an American number, even by accident. That means the PM has to be faked, simple as that.

#3: Not outing Myrddraal would have required a lot of time to change the PM around, time which I did not have. At that point I was convinced that the bandwagon would roll against me, and you would happily push it along. Getting a quick reveal in was Priority #1.

All you had to do was asterisk out his name. 5 seconds tops. You would have done this.

#4: That is a lie. We never investigated Ignoramus, and Sigurd was only found innocent after Ig was lynched.

Excuse me? You said you did:

Round 1: Dutch_guy (innocent)
Round 2: Divine Wind (CoP) (innocent)
Round 3: Ignoramus (innocent)
Round 4: Sasaki Kojiro (just executed) (guilty)
Round 5: Sigurd Fafnesbane (innocent)
Round 6: Proletariat (innocent)

Now you are contradicting yourself? Or did you forget who you claimed you investigated?

#5: It is mentioned in the first post of the thread.

Yes, but Silver always includes all the rules in his PM's, even specific rules that aren't mentioned on the front page.

#6: Oh wow, so you're suddenly the universal definer of what a twist is? I believe that it is up to Silver on what falls into the realm of a twist in his game.

Yeah, fine. I can't prove anything here, it just doesn't seem very twisty to me.

#7: See #3. At the time I thought I had two out of the three votes cast.

Then you could have voted and tied it up.

This game has taxed me to the limit, but I will do my best to limit the damage and still try to pull off a Town victory. But I hope that a game this nasty and cutthroat is never played again. As said before, there's a reason why I don't go in the Backroom. Mafia needs to be fun first. Not the exhausting psychological marathon that it has become.

Anyway, a premature congrats to Sasaki and his two mafia buddies on their victory. Well played gentlemen, well played.

Being a mafioso can be pretty taxing, yeah? but nastiness and throat cutting has no place, I agree.




More people need to give their opinion on this. I find it really odd that Myrddraal hasn't posted since he's been on today.

[Crazed Rabbit]

What a bunch of complete morons we have in our town. You all seem to jump whenever Sasaki says so.

GeneralHankerchief - 4 votes (Proletariat, Don Corleone, Seamus Fermanagh, Husar)

Guess what, perhaps next time you should wait a bit before jumping on a revealing detective and once again killing him on Sasaki's word? Huh? Just maybe? Hmm? Maybe see how they fare one night through?

Geez-lou-frickin'-weez.

Therefore, I vote: Seamus. My vote will stand unless he gets offed this next round.

CR

[Myrddraal]

Well *!

I can't believe this. Firstly, I can't belive GH revealed, secondly, I can't believe you lynched him! WTF are you guys on.

For a start, even if you thought that GH and I were mafia it would be 100 time more wise to keep us alive a little longer. After all, if we are both mafia, you can work out the exact number of rounds till the critical point (where if we were are mafia you have to lynch us to save the town) and in the meantime we had a hope of finding the Godfather.

Seamus, who's analysis of games has a reputation, should definitely have noticed that...

I just can't believe how easy that was for Sasaki. He just has to say a word and everyone leaps on the bandwagon.

I think we just missed the critical point townsfolk. I might be able to investigate one more person this round. There aren't that many un-investigated people to investigate left, so I've got a 1/6 chance of getting 1 mafia member, or 1/4 if you count suspicion.

Well I'm stunned. I just hope this town undergoes a revolution before long.

PS, I don't think there is one (the first post doesn't mention one), but if there is a doctor could he please get in touch, anonymously if you like.

[Silver Rusher]

There are only 11 players alive at this point, so the narrator might have just confirmed the death of one mafioso! This gives GH more credibility, though nothing is ever certain.

Actually, I was merely saying this based on the current trend. Don't read too much into this sort of thing.

[Husar]

What I also find interesting is that I should not believe sasaki because he is supposed to be manipulating when there clearly are points that speak for him.

Just take the following example:

Neither of them made an effort to prevent Ignoramus from being lynched, even though according to GH they had found him innocent

#4: That is a lie. We never investigated Ignoramus, and Sigurd was only found innocent after Ig was lynched.

Round 1: Dutch_guy (innocent)
Round 2: Divine Wind (CoP) (innocent)
Round 3: Ignoramus (innocent)
Round 4: Sasaki Kojiro (just executed) (guilty)
Round 5: Sigurd Fafnesbane (innocent)
Round 6: Proletariat (innocent)

To look it up, the original post


On the other hand we have:

Don't worry Husar, we lynched the right person.

Sounds like my big brother and mentor, while I would not really mind that elsewhere, this is a mafia game...

And Don, I didn't want to lynch you, I was saying that someone else(mafia) might want to get you lynched and it's somehow all in Seamus' statistic...
And I still wonder why people start voting again, before the klills have been posted, CR.

Now over to...Myrddraal.

Ok, he plays along with GH, cannot believe our stupidity and it is all Sasaki's fault because....well, because of his reputation, which in itself seems to be the only real point anyone here can bring up against Sasaki. Now I have to follow the path of the Don and say this is my first(and hopefully worst) mafia game ever and I do not know much about Sasaki's reputation, all I see is that he often has some good points, makes some suspicious comments here and there(but who doesn't?) and I would like someone to blame him without mentioning his history all the time.

I'm inclined to believe both, but that won't fit with GHs revelations claiming Sasaki was guilty. Kommodus mentions how stupid we are, but cannot come up with a better solution, as a former townie he might just want to come up with something useful instead of just blaming us?

That was my morning(2pm) wakeup post for today.

[Myrddraal]

I'm sorry I just can't get over this. GH reveals, and you lynch him immediately. Seeing as there isn't a doctor (I don't think) we were doomed anyway! At least it would have taken the mafia two turns to kill us off, and we could still have made another investigation. As we stand now, I'm doomed, I won't be able to make another investigation. STUPID STUPID STUPID!

If we were both mafia, then it would have been obvious because we wouldn't have died!

Who else would want GH lynched straight away apart from the mafia!

[Crazed Rabbit]

And I still wonder why people start voting again, before the klills have been posted, CR.

I know who the mafia is. Sasaki, a while ago, said that Seamus was the only person he did not have suspicions of, and thought was innocent. Maybe Don is the godfather.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Myrddraal, I'd like you to at least attempt to defend the pm which I have shown to be faked.

Also, why did GH not know who you two had investigated? Any explanation for that?

[Csargo]

Wow this is really crazy isn't it.

[Silver Rusher]

Day breaks in the Gameroom. All is quiet.

Cowhead418 had a job as a marketing consultant in Culp Co., a large firm supplying doughnuts in the centre of the Gameroom. One night, he was held up at work for a long time, and when he finally got out he was relieved.

"Phew..." CH sighed to himself, "Another minute in there and I would have killed myself."

But then a strange feeling entered his gut. He saw 4 shadowy figures dressed immaculately in suits standing next to a van marked "Vincenzo's Guttering", shaking hands.

Their heads turned to him. He instinctively began walking towards the car park.

Later, on the road leading towards his home, he looked in his wing mirror. Here he noticed a van following him. It was marked "Vincenzo's Guttering".

He stepped on the accelerator. The bridge was coming up, and there was no way off the road.

CH began to cross the bridge, but his acceleration was no use. The van drove up to the side of his car and rammed it straight off the bridge into the cold river below. There was no fancy escape.

Chief of Police Divine Wind addressed the crowd. There were shockingly few left; he couldn't help feeling somewhat disturbed by the fact that the murders still hadn't stopped.

"Citizens, this is a desperate time. We must find and execute the source of the problem, before it is too late." It was getting cold this time of year, and the words came out of his mouth as steam. "Whoever you choose to execute now will be strangled to death. We can't get this wrong! Start voting."

Status List

Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru
Dutch_guy
Xiahou
Cowhead418

Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro
Ignoramus
Evil_Maniac From Mars
GeneralHankerchief

PM:
Destroyer of Hope

Wrath of God:
Big King Sanctaphrax
Peasant Phill

Still alive:
Masy
Csar
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Seamus Fernanagh
Crazed Rabbit
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

10 players remain.

[Don Corleone]

I know who the mafia is. Sasaki, a while ago, said that Seamus was the only person he did not have suspicions of, and thought was innocent. Maybe Don is the godfather.

CR

If I was the godfather, whomever I picked for mafia wouldn't let me say boo. Think about it, they'd have killed me irl by now, at least after that first week when I was 'finding my sea-legs', so to speak.

And I didn't vote General Hank to actually lynch him. I did that because he he decided to reveal 15 minutes before the end of voting and I was trying to keep a tie until we get it all sorted. If General Hank was going to reveal such a bombshell, wouldn't it have made sense to have Mydraal around, at the very least? For all I know, the whole damn thing was staged.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

He saw 4 shadowy figures dressed immaculately in suits standing next to a van marked "Vincenzo's Guttering", shaking hands.

Ack! Saywhatnow? Does this mean there are 4 mafia left?

[Don Corleone]

We started with 2 mafia and a godfather. Somewhere along the way, Silver changed the rules and we got 3 mafia and a godfather. Now we have 4? I'm getting really sick and tired of all this rule changing, and I'm not too pleased with these 'bombshell revelations' 10 minutes before the end of voting, not giving us any chance to work it out. First Sigurd, now General Hank....

Vote: Don Corleone (I'm tired of this).

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I guess this has something to do with the twist. Why would they be shaking hands? There isn't a mastermind character right?

Can you confirm/deny any of this Silver? Or if you can't, can you confirm that you can't?

[Silver Rusher]

I guess this has something to do with the twist. Why would they be shaking hands? There isn't a mastermind character right?

Can you confirm/deny any of this Silver? Or if you can't, can you confirm that you can't?

I confirm that I can't

[Csargo]

We started with 2 mafia and a godfather. Somewhere along the way, Silver changed the rules and we got 3 mafia and a godfather. Now we have 4? I'm getting really sick and tired of all this rule changing, and I'm not too pleased with these 'bombshell revelations' 10 minutes before the end of voting, not giving us any chance to work it out. First Sigurd, now General Hank....

Vote: Don Corleone (I'm tired of this).

DC are you quiting? Do you want yourself lynched? That's not going to help us

[Don Corleone]

No, not quitting.

Waah, waah, waah and my my little tantrum is over. But please folks, if you have anything else in the future to reveal, let's not do it 10 minutes before we vote. I tried my damndest to keep it tied just until we could sort it all out, but I don't blame Prole. That was crazy timing, GH. If you are innocent, you almost deserved to have been lynched, just for dropping a bomb like that with no time to sort it out....

Unvote: Don Corleone
Vote: No-lynch.

I disagree with Sasaki on this point. In fact, I think he's playing us yet again. With only one scheduled kill per turn, he knows that lynching makes the mafia's odds go way up.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Don, if there are 4 mafia left, then no-lynching this turn and next turn means the mafia win. Your plan is very bad for the town.

What we need to be doing is figuring out what that message meant about the 4 shadowy figures and speculating as to what the twist could be. Simplest explanation so far is that Silver put 5 mafiosos in the game (GH and 4 others). That seems rather unbalanced though, since with 3 mafia+mastermind the mafia swept the town.

[Sir Moody]

you know don has acted suicidal form the start and has survived by being so suicidal no-one believes hes guilty - its the classic lemur defence and it may not be a good idea to keep letting him survive

[Husar]

Don, if there are 4 mafia left, then no-lynching this turn and next turn means the mafia win. Your plan is very bad for the town.

What we need to be doing is figuring out what that message meant about the 4 shadowy figures and speculating as to what the twist could be. Simplest explanation so far is that Silver put 5 mafiosos in the game (GH and 4 others). That seems rather unbalanced though, since with 3 mafia+mastermind the mafia swept the town.

Please, Sasaki, this sounds like you really are Mafia. If there really were so many mafiosi in the game I would simply refuse to lose, I think this was either written by the mafia or one of those little things silver said we should ignore. Now I really believe you are playing with us...
If I am wrong here and silver really put 4 or 5 mafia in, well, as I said, I refuse to lose...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Please, Sasaki, this sounds like you really are Mafia. If there really were so many mafiosi in the game I would simply refuse to lose, I think this was either written by the mafia or one of those little things silver said we should ignore. Now I really believe you are playing with us...
If I am wrong here and silver really put 4 or 5 mafia in, well, as I said, I refuse to lose...

Well the mafia don't write the kills so it was put in there by Silver. If it was something we can ignore he would have said so. Now as I said, I find this explanation unlikely but it's the simplest and only one we have right now. OTOH, their can't have been 5 mafia or they would have won last round by killing 2 instead of one. This doesn't have much to do with who we lynch this round, but if it turns out to be significant it shouldn't be ignored.