The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Cowhead418]

Myrd wasn't killed... Is this a trick by the mafia trying to make us believe that he is guilty or is Myrd really in the mafia?

[Sigurd]

I just read through the posts that I have missed since before the weekend.
I got to hand it to you guys. This game has been quite entertaining, fascinating even.

We are at a point of no return. We need to bet on a horse here. I am inclined to bet on the GH/Myrddraal horse. Even though GH’s confession has its apparent flaws I am willing to believe it (62342 do spell MAFIA btw. I am thinking of the double-Dutch on Sasaki).
If it hadn’t been for the constant posting of a certain LYNCHED player who has a HIGH probability of being MAFIA, I would have had problems swallowing the camel presented by GH.
And why… townies did you lynch GH when the town would be better served if you had lynched me instead? I am also listed Sasaki’s list of highly suspicious players. A grave mistake has been done, orchestrated by the one I previously advised you from listening to. All logic says that he is probably mafia.
Do you see Kommodus or any of the other lynched players actively post their theories?
No, because we shouldn’t take advice from they and they realise this.

If we bet on the horse that GH has put forth there are 4 players on GH’s list left.
Csar
Masy
Seamus
Husar

Personally I believe there are only two Mafiosi left. Not 4 as Sasaki try to make us believe. He is planting a seed of doubt as to whom they might be. Are there any obvious clues we are not seeing here? Who amongst these 4 would have chosen Sasaki as Henchman?
I am inclined to believe that Csar is our man…

Vote:Csar

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ack! Saywhatnow? Does this mean there are 4 mafia left?

omg no thatz nto a proper twist!!!1

[Masy]

nd why… townies did you lynch GH when the town would be better served if you had lynched me instead?

If we bet on the horse that GH has put forth there are 4 players on GH’s list left.
Csar
Masy
Seamus
Husar

I didn't vote GH, and am horrified by the poeple that did. He was detective wasn't he? Surely no-one would have that much free time on their hands to make such an elaborate fake.

Also, I'm not a mafia, so you can take me off that list

-edit-

Csar:

Sorry guys I haven't been very active in this I have some real life issues that have to be settled out before I can really get into this. I have read the thread over not very good I might add.

And next round he 'misses' the deadline.

What is this 'real life' of which you speak? lol fair enough, we all have stuff to do, but your abstaining and missing deadlines too much for me, so

Vote: Csar

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We are at a point of no return. We need to bet on a horse here. I am inclined to bet on the GH/Myrddraal horse. Even though GH’s confession has its apparent flaws I am willing to believe it (62342 do spell MAFIA btw. I am thinking of the double-Dutch on Sasaki).

Ok I looked it up and the system doesn't work the way I thought it did. The fact that GH noticed that makes me think he wrote it that way on purpose though. I like how you also fail to mention that it is an American number, and don't address any of the other obvious flaws in the pm.

If it hadn’t been for the constant posting of a certain LYNCHED player who has a HIGH probability of being MAFIA, I would have had problems swallowing the camel presented by GH.

Do you see Kommodus or any of the other lynched players actively post their theories?
No, because we shouldn’t take advice from they and they realise this.

NONE of you ever give reasons why you think I'm guilty beyond that I'm accusing you and I've been guilty in the past. The best you can seem to come up with is that none of the other lynched players are posting much, which doesn't work because they are posting some, and I always post a lot.

And why… townies did you lynch GH when the town would be better served if you had lynched me instead? I am also listed Sasaki’s list of highly suspicious players. A grave mistake has been done, orchestrated by the one I previously advised you from listening to. All logic says that he is probably mafia.

What logic. Specify.

If we bet on the horse that GH has put forth there are 4 players on GH’s list left.
Csar
Masy
Seamus
Husar

Personally I believe there are only two Mafiosi left. Not 4 as Sasaki try to make us believe. He is planting a seed of doubt as to whom they might be. Are there any obvious clues we are not seeing here? Who amongst these 4 would have chosen Sasaki as Henchman?
I am inclined to believe that Csar is our man…

Vote:Csar

I don't believe there are 4 mafia left, I said so in my last post. I said I don't have any explanation for that sentence. I hope Silver would have told me if it didn't mean anything.

You also just voted Csar for no reason. Nice. He would have chosen me after I got investigated first round last game? You have to actually give a reason why he would have chosen me you know.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

omg no thatz nto a proper twist!!!1

I only speak english, sorry.

Why did you say you didn't investigate Ignoramus?

[Sigurd]

*Muffled mumbles*

*Holding both ears*
LALALALALALALALALA … I AM NOT LISTENING TO A LYNCHED PLAYER!!!! LALALALALALALALA

[Csargo]

I didn't vote GH, and am horrified by the poeple that did. He was detective wasn't he? Surely no-one would have that much free time on their hands to make such an elaborate fake.

Also, I'm not a mafia, so you can take me off that list

-edit-

Csar:

Sorry guys I haven't been very active in this I have some real life issues that have to be settled out before I can really get into this. I have read the thread over not very good I might add.

And next round he 'misses' the deadline.

What is this 'real life' of which you speak? lol fair enough, we all have stuff to do, but your abstaining and missing deadlines too much for me, so

Vote: Csar

Your kidding me right? That was the crappiest excuse for a vote for me I've ever seen. I've seen votes better for me by Sasaki and those were retaliation votes. I abstain once and miss a vote once and all of a sudden I am a mafioso that's bad logic on your part. If I'm not mistaken you missed a vote not long ago and probably more before that. The last one you missed you posted a big long speech to GH and still didn't vote. Come on don't penalize me for things that you've done yourself.

Personally I believe there are only two Mafiosi left. Not 4 as Sasaki try to make us believe. He is planting a seed of doubt as to whom they might be. Are there any obvious clues we are not seeing here? Who amongst these 4 would have chosen Sasaki as Henchman?
I am inclined to believe that Csar is our man…

Vote:Csar

Yeah that's almost as good as Masy's reason for voting for me. Your reason for voting is worse than Masy's.

Vote: Sigurd

[Sasaki Kojiro]

*Holding both ears*
LALALALALALALALALA … I AM NOT LISTENING TO A LYNCHED PLAYER!!!! LALALALALALALALA

Well it's up to the town whether they want to trust someone who won't even respond when someone points out the flaws in their logic. Neither GH nor Myrddraal have responded to my questioning them why GH said they didn't investigate Ignoramus when he had previously claimed they had. I'm not going to let that kind of thing stand. Make a claim, contradict yourself, and then not respond to any reasoning while making up excuses to vote other people? Come on. Sigurd has been voting people on poor reasoning all game, compare this to Cosa Nuova where he sniffed out Xiahou with ease.

[GeneralHankerchief]

If I reply, you're just going to make up some BS about it being a poor excuse, so I'm really not going to bother.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If I reply, you're just going to make up some BS about it being a poor excuse, so I'm really not going to bother.

LOL

Come on GH. These posts are how people judge our innocence or guilt. The way you three are avoiding discussion makes it obvious you have something to hide.

Myrd, you've been lurking this thread all day, I can see you now. Who did you "investigate" and do you have any answers to my questions?

[Myrddraal]

If I am killed in the same round as I investigates someone, do I get the result of the investigation?

I'd like to investigate Seamus please.

The detective does not get the investigation result if they die that round.

Seamus is guilty!

Before being executed, he killed Lemur, MRD, Byz Merc, RTWguru, Dutch_guy and Xiahou

Make of it what you will. Why have I taken so long to post? Because this is just too good to be true for the Mafia.

Firstly they leave me alive, because they know you will lynch me this round and that way our investigations will never be confirmed.

Secondly I hit a mafia this turn. It was a 1/4 chance, but still, it just looks so much like I'm mafia trying to cover for myself.

So I leave you with this: make of it what you will, I know what the right course to take is, but I don't know if you will take it.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Good, that's what I wanted. Seamus now knows I've been telling the truth.

lol, Myrddraal, I like how it's "too good to be true" for the mafia that they decided to leave you alive (!) and that you also "found" one of them. Oh, those lucky, lucky mafia.

Also, it took you aaaaaages to write that, I was watching. Why didn't you vote for Seamus if he's so guilty?

[Husar]

Quote:Originally Posted by Silver Rusher
Quote:Originally Posted by Myrddraal
If I am killed in the same round as I investigates someone, do I get the result of the investigation?

I'd like to investigate Seamus please.


The detective does not get the investigation result if they die that round.

Seamus is guilty!

Before being executed, he killed Lemur, MRD, Byz Merc, RTWguru, Dutch_guy and Xiahou

Now there is a small problem because Seamus isn't executed yet...
And this time i didn't bother reconstructing the exact quotation structure, please forgive me.

edit: before I forget it:
Vote: Masy

[Crazed Rabbit]

Guys, re-read the begining of the story. There were a number of people in the guttering van from outside the town that came to visit whoever's the godfather here. Sasaki continues to try and sow confusion.

Oh, and to make sure it counts:
Vote: Seamus

Good, that's what I wanted. Seamus now knows I've been telling the truth.

So, you're both mafia. I knew that already.

lol, Myrddraal, I like how it's "too good to be true" for the mafia that they decided to leave you alive (!) and that you also "found" one of them. Oh, those lucky, lucky mafia.

GAH! The dead *whacks SK's corpse with a shovel* don't *another whack* talk! *whack*

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh, nice. "before being executed" eh?

You copied and pasted GH's faked pm to make sure it looked the same, but forgot it listed me as being executed.

Whoops!

[Myrddraal]

Vote:Seamus

PS. Interesting Sasaki, I hadn't noticed that myself. However, that's the pm, as it arrived in my inbox. You'll also notice that only the name is in red, whereas in your pm SR also put "is guilty" in red. It's clearly a copy and paste error, but it's not on my part...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

^^hahah, no answer. This is fun.

Vote Count:

Csar 2 (Sigurd, Masy)
Seamus 2(Myrddraal, Crazed Rabbit)
Sigurd 1 (Csar)
Masy 1 (Husar)

Not voting: 4

Be careful!

[Myrddraal]

I obviously edited as you were posting because you'll notice there is an answer.

[Husar]

I'm almost tired of voting.
After some long discussions in the underground, I came to the conclusion that we might either have a
- Masy, Sasaki, Seamus
or a
- CR, GH, Myrd

connection here, the first ones being the godfathers.
Given my record of successful votes I might be way off, but I just wanted to throw that in for discussion(you are welcome to take part, Sasaki ).

[Xiahou]

Seamus killed me? I'm horrified.

Now, before everyone votes to lynch him- I have to ask... what's the benefit of it? If he's lynched the godfather still gets 1 kill per round and the game continues, correct? And if Seamus turned up guilty to an investigation of only 1 detective- he cannot be the godfather, correct?

So wouldn't it be wiser to set aside his lynching for now and instead take on one of the other suspects?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Seamus

PS. Interesting Sasaki, I hadn't noticed that myself. However, that's the pm, as it arrived in my inbox. You'll also notice that only the name is in red, whereas in your pm SR also put "is guilty" in red. It's clearly a copy and paste error, but it's not on my part...

haha, ok, so Silver "accidently" said that Seamus was guilty AND he doesn't use consistant coloring for saying who is guilty? You can't get that kind of error copy pasting...it can't switch which words are colored or add "before he was executed"

Also, wow, you replied. What about the other stuff?

@Husar: Nice, I suppose you suspect masy & I are together because we haven't said anything to eachother this game? That could work, although it would be a littte careless on our part. CR GH and Myrd are much better bets

[Myrddraal]

haha, ok, so Silver "accidently" said that Seamus was guilty AND he doesn't use consistant coloring for saying who is guilty? You can't get that kind of error copy pasting...it can't switch which words are colored or add "before he was executed"

Also, wow, you replied. What about the other stuff?

Umm yes? So what is your point, you say I screwed up a copy and paste, I say SR screwed up a copy and paste. I know I'm right, but nothing will proove it, yet you still insist on pointing it out. Is this some kind of 'the more I post the more he will look guilty' theory?

@Husar: Nice, I suppose you suspect masy & I are together because we haven't said anything to eachother this game?

Yes it was careless. It's funny isn't it, how whenever GH or SR or I do something careless, it's 'proof' that we're mafia, but when you do something careless, you try to dismiss it as such.

EDIT:

After some long discussions in the underground, I came to the conclusion that we might either have a
- Masy, Sasaki, Seamus
or a
- CR, GH, Myrd

But unfortunately, due to a hasty lynch, I cannot confirm anything more. My job as a detective is over.

[Husar]

@Husar: Nice, I suppose you suspect masy & I are together because we haven't said anything to eachother this game? That could work, although it would be a littte careless on our part. CR GH and Myrd are much better bets

I think that because I suspected Seamus earlier, his statistics blame some random people, you confuse everyone and Masy, the Godfather sits back and makes bandwagon votes on innocent people while not contributing much.

[Husar]

Seamus killed me? I'm horrified.

Now, before everyone votes to lynch him- I have to ask... what's the benefit of it? If he's lynched the godfather still gets 1 kill per round and the game continues, correct? And if Seamus turned up guilty to an investigation of only 1 detective- he cannot be the godfather, correct?

So wouldn't it be wiser to set aside his lynching for now and instead take on one of the other suspects?

That is why I voted Masy based on my theory.

[Cowhead418]

I have to say this Mafia game has generated the most interesting discussion. Whether or not Sasaki is guilty, he sure knows how to spice a game up.

Also, I agree with Xiahou. If Seamus is guilty, lynching him will do us now good because he is not the godfather. His death would actually help the mafia, because there would be one less chance of lynching the godfather.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I have to say this Mafia game has generated the most interesting discussion. Whether or not Sasaki is guilty, he sure knows how to spice a game up.

Also, I agree with Xiahou. If Seamus is guilty, lynching him will do us now good because he is not the godfather. His death would actually help the mafia, because there would be one less chance of lynching the godfather.

Actually, this is wrong. The reason is, that if we lynch Seamus, then we buy two more rounds of time for the townspeople. That, and the fact that the Godfather no longer has a voting ally. One of the reasons why the mafia won in GF1 was because they had the numbers in the final round.

[Sigurd]

Actually, this is wrong. The reason is, that if we lynch Seamus, then we buy two more rounds of time for the townspeople. That, and the fact that the Godfather no longer has a voting ally. One of the reasons why the mafia won in GF1 was because they had the numbers in the final round.

This is true... I know from experience that being alone was what I feared the most as godfather.

Unvote:Csar
Vote Seamus

[Seamus Fermanagh]

[QUOTE=Myrddraal]Seamus, who's analysis of games has a reputation, should definitely have noticed that...
QUOTE]

Well, I had actually settle for Don C's idea to keep the voting even and have a runoff after more discussion. I'm leery of the Reveal, but was willing to listen to more discussion -- especially from you. Prole's vote change and the timing of Kommodus' vote closure ended it with a lynch. I wish it'd been delayed.

To: Crazed Rabbit.

I think Kommodus is going to make you actively re-vote to lynch me. If I recall an earlier post correctly, he doesn't let pre-murder votes "ride." I assure you I am not mafia, so I encourage you not to vote for my death, but you've had me in your sights for a couple of days now, so.....

[Crazed Rabbit]

I think Kommodus is going to make you actively re-vote to lynch me. If I recall an earlier post correctly, he doesn't let pre-murder votes "ride." I assure you I am not mafia, so I encourage you not to vote for my death, but you've had me in your sights for a couple of days now, so.....

Don't worry about it (see post 705).

And yes, I've been suspicous of you ever since Sasaki said you were the only one he thought was innocent.

Important Note: We want to kill Seamus off this round. He is definately mafia. Why? Becuase it gives the village more rounds to find the godfather, AND it takes away a voting ally of the godfathers.

CR