The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Xiahou]

Can anyone name off the top of their head a few of the more vocal Lemur detractors from the old games? I know he seemed a bit unpopular there at times. Maybe Lemur getting killed so quickly in this game has to do with some personal history.

I'd also like to know this. I think it's quite likely that the victims have some history with their mafioso killers.

[Don Corleone]

My screen name aside, I must be the worst player in the history of the game. Sasaki actually made a good point about the random number. So...

Unvote: Crazed Rabbit

Vote: Abstain (for now )

And Crazed Rabbit, I humbly and shamefully beg for yoru forgiveness...

[Cowhead418]

9 left, lynch one that's 8, 2 die at night that's six, town won't be able to lynch a mafioso since they don't have a majority, 2 die again at night, townie lynched, mafia win.

2 things - I'm not disagreeing with you here about lynching, I'm just making a point:

1. If we lynch a mafioso, that means that only ONE person will be killed the next night, not two.

2. If we lynch the Godfather, we win. We don't need to execute his henchmen to achieve victory.

For now, I Vote: Drisos for using some sketchy reasoning. If you noticed, Divine Wind did not use the Snowman in Cosa Nuova and was innocent despite the change in behavior. I agree with Sasaki here. We have to get everyone into the discussion. If the mafia barely have to talk, then they can avoid attention. This is what happened in the last Godfather - there was very little discussion so I easily avoided suspicion. The last time I tried to promote discussion I got lynched, but I urge the town to not allow the lurkers or one-liners to get-by so easily this time around.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Going way back to Mafia II, where Lemur was a mafioso, he killed the following people:

Zalmoxis (not playing)
The Spartan (not playing)
Sasaki Kojiro
SSNeoperestroika (not playing)
Divine Wind
Ignoramus
Alexander the Pretty Good (not playing)

In addition, I seem to remember Drisos going after Lemur with a particular vigor in Mafia III.

However, that's not good enough evidence to vote. My guess is that it was just one of the newer players reading the old threads and trying to get the reaction that it was a revenge killing. I do chalk up the Randomizer to the Don's newness, but if he does anything else that's suspicious, then that's different.

Finally, Sasaki's just being Sasaki. In the meantime, my vote stays as abstain (there IS a difference between Abstain and No Lynch, you know).

[Don Corleone]

Wow, I really suck at this. What is the difference between abstain and no-lynch?

[Proletariat]

That was only clarified last game, I believe. Anyway, if everyone abstained but one person voted Reenk, he'd die. No lynch is actually voting that no one gets strung up.

[Csargo]

Ya'll need to leave Don alone he's a noob he's just learning the game if you kill him now he may not want to play again.

[Myrddraal]

Vote:GeneralHankerchief

For starting what could be another cycle of "I abstain, because there isn't enough information to go on, because everyone else abstained, because there isn't enough information to go on, because..."

I have to agree... I've only played one game of mafia, and I can see the cycle. It's dangerous. It's always in the interests of the town to lynch. Consider it this way. If we don't lynch, it's like giving the mafia twice as many kills this turn. GH I'd have thought you'd have got that by now

Argh this reminds me of the last (and only) game I played in. There's so little info to go by As far as I can tell, the only info we have is that Lemur has some past experience of being targeted by people.

Zalmoxis (not playing)
The Spartan (not playing)
Sasaki Kojiro
SSNeoperestroika (not playing)
Divine Wind
Ignoramus
Alexander the Pretty Good (not playing)

This really isn't enough to go by, but it's all I've got. Sorry folks, but you're all moving a (small) step up on my suspiciousness list.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

so little to go on, well i have no idea except that someone should get lynched, so i will abstain and leave it to you guys as to who exactly dies...

Vote: Abstain

[Xiahou]

However, that's not good enough evidence to vote. My guess is that it was just one of the newer players reading the old threads and trying to get the reaction that it was a revenge killing. I do chalk up the Randomizer to the Don's newness, but if he does anything else that's suspicious, then that's different.

It's not enough to be sure- but it's something and in the first round we dont have much to go on. Now the question is who of those are most likely?

Finally, Sasaki's just being Sasaki. In the meantime, my vote stays as abstain (there IS a difference between Abstain and No Lynch, you know).

Yeah, I dont think the odds are good of him being mafia again- although it is of course possible....

Anyhow, for lack of anything better I'm going to:

vote: Divine Wind

[Lemur]

Lemur whispers from the dead:

"My method of death was dictated by comic irony. Examine my quote in GH's siggy and all will be clear ..."

[Myrddraal]

Yeah, I dont think the odds are good of him being mafia again

ARGH! Another logical fallacy. I swear I saw this discussed before. Just because Sasaki has been mafia before makes it no less likely that he is mafia this time round. There is no such thing as a law of averages!

[Myrddraal]

Just a thought for those voting DW. If we lynch the CoP will he be replaced? If not, we probably don't want to go about killing him just yet.

Silver?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

ARGH! Another logical fallacy. I swear I saw this discussed before. Just because Sasaki has been mafia before makes it no less likely that he is mafia this time round. There is no such thing as a law of averages!

Logically correct. However I am less likely to be mafia. Only one is chosen randomly remember, and no godfather in his right mind would choose me as a mafioso after what happened last game. No good losing a mafioso round one is it. or 2 as the case may be...lolz

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Divine Wind (subject to change)

Rationale: producing a tie in votes. I am reluctant to take Don C out quite this quickly -- if you sign up for a mafia game wearing the handle Corleone, you just shouldn't be bounced quite so quickly.

As with everyone else, there is no evidence of any substantive nature behind this vote. I do agree with Cowhead that we need to unlurk a few more folks.

NOBODY is voting not to lynch. The abstainers are just saying "pick one, I don't care." Not lynching is only a good choice in the rare instances that you are fairly sure that the townie power roles exceed those of the mafiosi.

By-the-by Cowhead, I only defended Silver and helped shift Moody's CN vote against you because I knew Ag to be innocent. It had nothing to do with getting on his good side prior to this game he's hosting. I swear.

[Myrddraal]

@Sasaki though that doesn't exclude you from my suspicions I'm afraid. A godfather might choose you for exactly that reason - because surely no one would choose Sasaki again? The point I was trying to make was that it's dangerous to discount people based on the number of times they've been mafia before. I personally am trying to not let it affect me at all.

I'm tending towards lynching one of the three who had something against Lemur. I know it's hardly conclusive evidence, but it's all we've got to go by. It seems the popular vote is for DW, but I'm hesitating before voting for him until I know if we keep a CoP.


EDIT hmm. The more I think about this Lemur thing, the less convinced I am. Gah! It's all we've got to go by, but it really isn't much.

Vote:Abstain for now. (note, not no lynch)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lynching based on who was killed is a terrible idea. At this stage the mafia is choosing who to kill with the intent of creating a red herring.

We should instead vote based on who would be chosen mafioso by the Godfather.

Unvote:Don Corleone
Vote:Drisos

I'd choose him if I was Godfather. He always seems so innocent.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Unvote: Divine Wind
Vote: Abstain

As I said, bouncing Don C this early was un-needed. I really don't have a vote in mind yet. Sasaki and Eyeless are both making points.

[ByzantineKnight]

I'm in

Status List

Killed by Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar

Still alive:
Sasaki Kojiro
Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Csar
GeneralHankerchief
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Seamus Fernanagh
Byzantine Mercenary
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Xiahou
Drisos
Peasant Phill
Sir Moody
Cowhead418
Kommodus
Dutch_guy
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Major Robert Dump
Destroyer of Hope
theRTWGuru
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

Aren't I in?

[Husar]

At 5 am I wanted to remind you mathematical geniuses of that new rule saying:

-The Godfather will not be able to kill anyone, but if he dies the townspeople win. If one of his mafiosi dies, the other will still only be able to kill one person each round and so there will only be one murder each round. If both his mafiosi die he will then have the power to kill one person each round himself.

Which essentially means once we get one mafioso, we will only see one kill per round giving us more time and also proving the last lynched person guilty.
In return logic or however that is called this means if two kills happen, the last lynched person was innocent. Happy thinking, I will post my vote after some sleep.

[Csargo]

Though I haven't seen enought evidence to unvote my abstain Sasaki's reasoning does seem right the Godfather would most likely pick people who always seem innocent. Though I don't know about Drisos never paided any attention to him.

Edit: Oh yeah BK you should be in. Silver must have forgot.

[Crazed Rabbit]

*CR is finishing his steak and hears the news of Don C's change in heart*

Wonderful news. I forgive you Don.

Unvote: Don C
Vote: Drisos

I wonder if he wants the CoP lynched so he can install one of his fellow mafioso?

Mainly a discussion vote.

Crazed Rabbit

[ByzantineKnight]

Vote: Drisos

[Sasaki Kojiro]

At 5 am I wanted to remind you mathematical geniuses of that new rule saying:



Which essentially means once we get one mafioso, we will only see one kill per round giving us more time and also proving the last lynched person guilty.
In return logic or however that is called this means if two kills happen, the last lynched person was innocent. Happy thinking, I will post my vote after some sleep.

You mean...same as last game?

[Csargo]

You mean...same as last game?

@CR who are you talking about?

[Drisos]

We should instead vote based on who would be chosen mafioso by the Godfather.

Unvote:Don Corleone
Vote:Drisos

I'd choose him if I was Godfather. He always seems so innocent.

I wish I had been chosen... still haven't got any special role.. This is not much evidence either of course. But it's better then my case against Divine Wind. Espcially seen what Cowhead pointed out, that Divine had already given up the snowman strategy.

Unvote: Divine Wind
Vote: Dutch_Guy

Why him? Well I don't like the nature of that last post... a bit suspicious.. still I think you have a better chance of getting a mafioso by lynching me.

[Peasant Phill]

Vote: General Hanky

Why? We don't know anything yet so I might as well just pick someone randomly.

[Death Match]

Vote for me if you wish, but in this circumstance, with absolutely no information to go on, a random number generator is the correct course of action. It would be a mistake to attempt to 'see' patterns where there are none.

Btw, it's daytime right now, correct? roughly 12 hours from now is when the lynching occurs, correct?

I am growing suspicious of you.....


Vote: Don Corleone

[Major Robert Dump]

Who might be chosen as mafia is going to vary depending on who is godfather. The idea that someone may not be chosen because of their past and drawing heat actually works both ways, so the thing to remember is that the mafia goons were not random. Killing one goon may even make it more likely to figure out who the boss is who chose said goon.

I don't like the fact that the Chief of Police could possibly be mafia, and his being immune to night kills makes it the perfect cover for him yet the worst possible thing to happen to the village.. And unless I missed something he wasn't voted in. Not a job I would want, personally.

VOTE: Divine Wind

[Major Robert Dump]

VOTE: Divine Wind

sorry can't edit