The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Xiahou]

I think we're fast approaching the time for a detective to step forward and clear some of the remaining townies. I'm no expert here, but I think with our dwindling numbers it'd be extremely beneficial if we could rule out a number of townsfolk as potential mafiosos.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

After tonight:

9 townies 3 mafia
wrong lynch:
7 townies 3 mafia
wrong lynch:
4 townies 3 mafia
game over since divine wind can't vote

In other words lynch two more townies and we lose. You let the mafia get an easy lynch today. I was going to argue against it but it seemed likely to be counterproductive. I urge the town to take a look at the people I've accused without regard to what I've said which evidently you feel you can't trust.

If we lynch one mafioso we buy an extra two rounds. I guess a fair bit depends on the detective. Unfortunatly an innocent result is worthless (unless it's on me because I can't be godfather), only a guilty result will be helpful. Still, given the breakdown if you get a guilty result it would be best to speak up. Investigating me if that's allowed may actually give the most information.

I'm wondering what the twist is going to be.

I think we're fast approaching the time for a detective to step forward and clear some of the remaining townies. I'm no expert here, but I think with our dwindling numbers it'd be extremely beneficial if we could rule out a number of townsfolk as potential mafiosos.

We can't clear any townies since the Godfather will appear innocent.

[Don Corleone]

Nobody answered my earlier question. Can the detective reaveal what he knew at the time of his death if he got offed?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nobody answered my earlier question. Can the detective reaveal what he knew at the time of his death if he got offed?

Usually not.

[Xiahou]

We can't clear any townies since the Godfather will appear innocent.

Ah yes, that....

[Sasaki Kojiro]

btw, congrats Silver, this game is second only to Mafia III, and with another 170 or so posts will pass it up.

So what do you people think about the detective's choice tonight? Should he/she investigate me?

[Husar]

btw, congrats Silver, this game is second only to Mafia III, and with another 170 or so posts will pass it up.

So what do you people think about the detective's choice tonight? Should he/she investigate me?

I don't know what to say, my world just collapsed...
You may want to buy some time for your fellow mafiosi or you really are innocent. And how do you know that the detective is still alive?
Why are you still trying to be important?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You're an attention-whore.

[Cowhead418]

After tonight:

9 townies 3 mafia
wrong lynch:
7 townies 3 mafia
wrong lynch:
4 townies 3 mafia
game over since divine wind can't vote

In other words lynch two more townies and we lose. You let the mafia get an easy lynch today. I was going to argue against it but it seemed likely to be counterproductive. I urge the town to take a look at the people I've accused without regard to what I've said which evidently you feel you can't trust.

If we lynch one mafioso we buy an extra two rounds. I guess a fair bit depends on the detective. Unfortunatly an innocent result is worthless (unless it's on me because I can't be godfather), only a guilty result will be helpful. Still, given the breakdown if you get a guilty result it would be best to speak up. Investigating me if that's allowed may actually give the most information.

I'm wondering what the twist is going to be.



We can't clear any townies since the Godfather will appear innocent.

Remember, if we lynch the Godfather then we win. The other two mafiosi do not need to be executed for victory. And you are assuming that the mafia will go back to two kills a night. If there really are three left, then the only reason they'd want to put up a charade of one kill a night would mean that they are trying to protect one of the people Sasaki accused. Or perhaps they just want us to think that way.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, it's only the last night that they'd go back to two. And yes, hopefully we'll execute the Godfather. My bet is on Myrddraal as opposed to the other suspicious people, because of that "I hope the detective investigates me" thing.

[Silver Rusher]

Day breaks in the Gameroom. All is quiet.

“Chk. Chk. Chk. Chk.”

Xiahou had been hearing that sound ever since he got up. It was present during his morning shave, his shower, his breakfast, and his routine checks of whether the house was secure or not.

“Chk. Chk. Chk. Chk.”

But where was that cursed sound COMING FROM???!!?!

“Chk. Chk. Chk. Ch-CRACK!!”

Suddenly a much louder noise made its presence known. Xiahou now knew where the sound was coming from – his own back yard! He ran upstairs to his window to see what was going on.

Somebody, dressed in a fine Italian suit, was swinging a hatchet at the large oak tree out back. How odd. Xiahou opened the window and yelled out.

“Hey! Just who do you think you are, cutting down my tree?!”

“I’m with Vincenzo’s Tree Service,” the figure in the suit yelled back. “You call us up, we chop it down!”

“…then why does it say Vincenzo’s Guttering on the van outside?”

“Ah, well, we do that too. Our… business is always expanding! Are you interested in some guttering work as well?”

Xiahou was pretty angry at this point. “No, I’m not! And get away from my tree at once! I did not order you to come here and chop it down!”

“No,” said the mafioso, “but my boss did. TIMBER!”

With one final swing, the tree started to topple. Xiahou gasped as it came crashing down… straight down on his house. He was crushed to death. Meanwhile, the mafioso cursed himself as he walked away.

“Blood I don’t mind. But I’ll never be able to get all this sawdust out of my suit.”

Chief of Police Divine Wind assembled the villagers in the town centre. He was standing next to what looked like a newly built swimming pool, with a cover over it. This seemed unnecessary as many of the villagers had already seen what was underneath. Or so they thought.

Once everyone had arrived, DW began speaking.

"We have lost another great member of our community in Xiahou. A good friend to all of us, he was. Whoever committed the crime shall pay in blood." He turned to the pool and pulled off the cover, smiling. Inside the tank were sharks, and they had lasers on their heads. "I present our latest execution. Sharks with frickin' lasers!"

There was a round of applause among the amused villagers.

"Thank you, thank you. Who gets thrown in the pool with the sharks with frickin' lasers? Get voting."

Status List

Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru
Dutch_guy
Xiahou

Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro
Ignoramus
Evil_Maniac From Mars

PM:
Destroyer of Hope

Wrath of God:
Big King Sanctaphrax
Peasant Phill

Still alive:
Masy
Csar
GeneralHankerchief
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Seamus Fernanagh
Crazed Rabbit
Cowhead418
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

[GeneralHankerchief]

I honestly have no idea where to go after this. Maybe it's just this game that's fatiguing me, but I can't start discussion anywhere.

3 and a half hours have passed since the kills were posted. Does anyone have any ideas about anything?

EDIT: Forgot to vote in case I can't later on:

Vote: Abstain

[Don Corleone]

Sorry General Hank, but for an advanced player, you've had one too many of these 'can't think of much to say' moments. I think your fight with Sasaki was cover, and I'm willing to put my neck on the block over it.

If you agree with me, join me:
Vote: General Hankerchief

If you disagree, vote me!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sorry General Hank, but for an advanced player, you've had one too many of these 'can't think of much to say' moments.

Such as?

To my knowledge, this is the first time I've been truly stumped during this game or any of 'em.

1st round I abstain because it's the first round.
Runoff I vote Drisos to save Divine Wind.
2nd round I back Sigurd up and (wrongly) vote Kommodus.
3rd round is the Sasaki thing.
4th round I took off. I was, however, paying attention to the thread, I just had no desire to get into another large argument. That may sound shocking to a Backroom vet like you, but there's a reason why I stay out of there.
5th round I suspect Masy, who defends himself fairly well enough, and am the first person to vote for EMFM.

Don, I'm pretty sure you're innocent, but I will vote for you if I have to save myself.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Voting Record Facts:

With the exception of Drisos (lynched in runoff) Everyone who voted for Divine Wind in Round 1 or the Runoff has been murdered.

With the exception of Drisos (lynched in runoff) Everyone who voted for Don Corleone in Round 1 or the Runoff has been murdered.

With the exception of Sasaki (lynched in round 3) all of those who voted to kill Drisos in the 1st round -- not the runoff -- are alive and well (Cowhead, Crazed Rabbit).

All 4 who voted to lynch Sasaki in round 3 are fine and dandy (Gen. Crazed Rabbit, Csar, Don Corleone, Gen. Hanky).

2 of the 3 who voted for Don Corleone twice are dead (good luck Husar!)

Neither Cowhead nor Crazed Rabbit, responsible for 2 of the 3 Drisos votes in round #1, lodged a vote in the runoff between Divine Wind and Drisos.

"Inactive" voters:

Masy: Abstain, Drisos, DNV, DNV, Ignoramus, DNV.


...If I make just one oddball assumption, that Sasaki was innocent (in this game) then the play of Cowhead and Crazed Rabbit becomes a bit more sinister....

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

...just business, nothing personal. I always liked you.

[Xiahou]

I knew the mafia feared me.

This is just my gut instincts here, but I don't think the mafia is only taking one kill a turn to fake us out- I think we got at least one of them. If they had been killing two all this time it'd be pretty all sewn up by now wouldnt it?

So many suspicious people left... and so little time remaining for the townsfolk. I dont know with any certainty who's mafia- but Seamus makes alot of good points about who to watch out for. Of course, we musnt overlook the frightening possibility that Seamus is mafia- what better way for the mafia do game Seamus' analases than if he was also one of them. I dont think we should start the bandwagon based on this, but the notion bears discussion.

[Kommodus]

Whispers from the dead: Ah, so the brave townsfolk are at a loss, indeed? Despair not, good people of the Gameroom, for though I appear but little I have not forgotten your plight! Nay, how could I forget they who have so wisely and selflessly relocated my body to the depths of this lake? The waters are cool and refreshing, and the creatures of the lagoon are steady and amicable company; though they do get peckish occasionally and are wanting for conversation.

Despair not, for my watery abode affords opportunity for little but thought, and where there is theory, practice is not far behind. Can the steady, relentless assault of logic break apart this conundrum, as the glaciers have worn away this lake bed in ages past? Time alone can tell; and for the dead, time is never wanting...

[Divine Wind]

Whispers from the dead: Ah, so the brave townsfolk are at a loss, indeed? Despair not, good people of the Gameroom, for though I appear but little I have not forgotten your plight! Nay, how could I forget they who have so wisely and selflessly relocated my body to the depths of this lake? The waters are cool and refreshing, and the creatures of the lagoon are steady and amicable company; though they do get peckish occasionally and are wanting for conversation.

Despair not, for my watery abode affords opportunity for little but thought, and where there is theory, practice is not far behind. Can the steady, relentless assault of logic break apart this conundrum, as the glaciers have worn away this lake bed in ages past? Time alone can tell; and for the dead, time is never wanting...

So in plain English, you dont have a bloody clue

Ive always suspected GHC so far in this game. Theres something slightly different about the way hes playing, and I dont like it.

Seamus Fermanagh on the outside, seems to so far have been the perfect villager. Contributing very well by displaying voting record facts, which in every case link nothing to himself, and getting through most rounds without an ounce of suspicion.

Tough one to call.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[GeneralHankerchief]

Two votes? Well, I didn't want to do it this early but you've forced me to.

I am the Detective. And I'm not the only one.

Make sure you have read the prologue in the Godfather thread before reading this. Also, make sure you read this PM bit by bit, and that you have read the entire story before even glancing at what's underneath it.

GeneralHankerchief lived in a small apartment in the center of town. But in the Gameroom, the crime rate was low, which was why it came as a shock to him when an arrow from outside shattered his glass window, flew into the apartment and embedded itself in a wooden dresser.

At first, GH was too shocked to move, but after a while he collected himself and walked over to the arrow. Slightly reluctant and afraid to touch it, he bent over and pulled it out of the dresser, with about 3 vests. The damage was irreparable. "Darn it," GH thought, before noticing there was a note attatched to the arrow. It read:

Call this number:
555-62342

Nothing could have been more important than a note carried by an arrow flying through a person's window and damaging his dresser. He was too angry with the person responsible to think about what he was doing, and he was also curious on how a phone number had eight digits. So he picked up the phone and called.

"Ah, hello GeneralHankerchief. I am glad that you decided to call me."

GH was rather angry at this person, and so he screamed into the receiver. "Who are you? Why did you put an arrow through my window?"

"Soon, a window will not be important. Your town is in grave danger."

"Danger? The GAMEROOM? Nahhhhhhhhh." GH wasn't convinced, beginning to think that this whole thing was a prank.

"Shut up and listen." The voice was dead serious. "Do you know the van that's been driving around recently? The one with 'Vincenzo's Guttering' written on the side? We have reason to believe that this Vincenzo is a high-up figure in La Cosa Nostra, the mafia. We believe that he is trying to recruit villagers to kill off everyone in the town. However, we need an inside man. It will be your job to investigate one villager every day, and you must phone in your results to me."

GH was now somewhat convinced? "Wait, why do I have to phone in to you?"

"Because I'm the only one who can save the town. Don't worry, you're not the only one. I've also recruited Myrddraal for this job. You two should pool your information in order to save the town. Good luck."

With that, the mysterious voice hung up, leaving GeneralHankerchief determined. He would save the town.

Congratulations, GeneralHankerchief. You have been randomly selected for the role of Detective in The Godfather, Part 2!

-PM me now and every night during the game telling me the name of one person you wish to investigate.

-Your partner is Myrddraal.

-The twist is in this game, you and Myrddraal have a choice of how to investigate. You can choose to separately investigate people, which will bring you normal results, or you can investigate the same person together. If you choose to do this, I will tell you whether that person is the Godfather, who is ordinarily immune to Detective investigations. In addition, if you both investigate a Mafia Grunt, I will reveal that role to you too. However, I need PM confirmation from both of you should you decide to pursue this strategy. If one of you dies, than this power goes away.

-You are allowed to reveal yourself (and your partner) to everyone at any time during the game while you are still alive. You cannot reveal to individual people, however. And, as always, you cannot reveal if you are dead.

-You now have until 9:00 PM GMT on Tuesday 24th October to PM me your first investigation.

Good luck,
Silver Rusher

After some discussion Myrddraal and I decided to go the "one investigation per round" route in order to find the Godfather. However, our results have not been the ones we were hoping for.

In the following rounds, we investigated the following:

Round 1: Dutch_guy (innocent)
Round 2: Divine Wind (CoP) (innocent)
Round 3: Ignoramus (innocent)
Round 4: Sasaki Kojiro (just executed) (guilty)
Round 5: Sigurd Fafnesbane (innocent)
Round 6: Proletariat (innocent)

Out of all of these, only Sasaki came up as guilty.

GH and I want to investigate Sasaki this round. Is that allowed even if he's dead?

Yes, that is allowed.

Sasaki is guilty!

Before being executed, he killed UltraWar and Sir Moody. However, he is not the Godfather.

Now, judging by the people that Sasaki has gone after, combined with investigations, here is the status list of people with their status. "I" indicates confirmed innocent, "i" indicates probably innocent, and "D" indicates Detective.

Masy
Csar
GeneralHankerchief (D)
Proletariat (I)
Don Corleone (i)
Seamus Fernanagh
Crazed Rabbit (i)
Cowhead418
Sigurd Fafnesbane (I)
Husar
Divine Wind (I)
Myrddraal (D)

In order to save myself, I'm going to

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Husar

No offense bud. But I need more time for investigations.

[Proletariat]

Well, I'll be.

I'm willing to believe it, since the only person I know for sure to be innocent is myself, and that there reveal jives with that. Also, Sasaki has acted soo ludicrous this whole game, I'm definately buying what GH is selling.

Guess I'll Vote: Husar for now as well, since I'll be at work for awhile today and won't have too many chances to check in until evening.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Well, well....

That's a horse of a different color.

If Sasaki is guilty, then Crazed Rabbits voting is all on the up-and-up.

Unvote: Crazed Rabbit
Vote: Abstain

Let's hear from the half-man.

We must evaluate this carefully, but if Hanky and Myrdraal's list/role passes the "smell test" then our list of lynchees narrows.

[Husar]

Hmm, let me look up one of my older posts...this here.

While this has some completely flawed logic in it, especially in those last four points, I remember suspecting Seamus Fermanagh for several things and since then he almost convinced me of his innocence, because he was the perfect citizen.
If we now have a look at his voting record facts, he votes for Crazed Rabbit who he thought might be detective and had probably found him to be innocent. In addition, he wishes me good luck while indicating Don, who we all think is innocent, might be Mafia.
Next up is the reasoning for his vote, he simply makes the assumption that Sasaki was innocent and then bases his vote for CR on this.
This is if GH is not lying of course.

There is of course the possibility that GH and Myrddraal are mafia and GH now tried a weird stunt to survive the last rounds.
After all, he votes for me on no basis than wanting to stay alive, which is not assured by lynching me, so I do not really understand the reasoning behind this. He can still be killed by the mafia next night. except if I were the Godfather of course, but I cannot understand the logic because I'm not...whatever.
There is also a possibility of Prole and GH being Mafia because she just bandwagons on his vote, this way they might provide a reason to kill Myrd next round, we should see what he says about this.

The last are only assumptions which I do not (want to) believe but included to not leave anything out, so...

Vote: Seamus Fermanagh

edit: Seamus believes GH and changes his vote...this pushes the balance more towards my secondary suspicions, but I am going to keep my vote for now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

There is of course the possibility that GH and Myrddraal are mafia and GH now tried a weird stunt to survive the last rounds.
After all, he votes for me on no basis than wanting to stay alive, which is not assured by lynching me, so I do not really understand the reasoning behind this. He can still be killed by the mafia next night. except if I were the Godfather of course, but I cannot understand the logic because I'm not...whatever.
There is also a possibility of Prole and GH being Mafia because she just bandwagons on his vote, this way they might provide a reason to kill Myrd next round, we should see what he says about this.

Remember, the mafia are down to the Godfather and one grunt (maybe zero, but I highly doubt this). This means that even if I die, Myrddraal can still get some work done. I am banking on revealing our final cooperative investigation result to you before I am killed in the night.

[Dutch_guy]

I very, very, very much doubt Husar is a mafia grunt. He might be the godfather, but he isn't one of the grunts.

This is, by the way, a nice twist to the story Silver. Isn't it a bit pro town though ? If everything GHC said is true, then it does seem so.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I very, very, very much doubt Husar is a mafia grunt. He might be the godfather, but he isn't one of the grunts.

This is, by the way, a nice twist to the story Silver. Isn't it a bit pro town though ? If everything GHC said is true, then it does seem so.

My belief is that this twist makes up for the pro-mafia one in Godfather 1. If you remember, the Mafia Mastermind got to select both the Godfather and the Detective, with disasterous results for the town.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Argh, I just realized that Divine Wind can't vote. So I revealed with one vote against me.

[Masy]

GeneralHankerchief, not sure about you...this does give explanation to your suspicions of me (You seemed sure I wasn't a detective, but rather a mafia faking. This explains your assuredness, and why you weren't fussed about (potentially) pointing me out to the mafia.) However, this could all be an elaborate set-up...

BUT! I would feel rather silly if you were indeed detective and we let you die, so
Vote: Husar

-edit-

Am I right in thinking that the Godfather can be investigated, and not come up as guilty? If so, then some of these folk on that investigated list could be far from innocent.

[Divine Wind]

Argh, I just realized that Divine Wind can't vote. So I revealed with one vote against me.

GAH!!! My fault GHC, I keep getting tangled up in the game, and then forgetting I cannot vote.

-On top of the Godfather and two mafiosi there will be Detective. He can investigate one person each night to find out if they are innocent or guilty. If he investigates the Godfather, however, it will show up as innocent.

Oh crap.

[GeneralHankerchief]

-edit-

Am I right in thinking that the Godfather can be investigated, and not come up as guilty? If so, then some of these folk on that investigated list could be far from innocent.

A part of our role was that we could choose how to investigate. If we conducted separate investigations, then if we found the Godfather he would come up as innocent.

But if we cooperatively investigated people, they would come up as guilty even if they were the Godfather. Trading quantity for quality of sorts. That was the route that Myrddraal and I took, but so far we have not been successful.

[Husar]

GeneralHankerchief, not sure about you...this does give explanation to your suspicions of me (You seemed sure I wasn't a detective, but rather a mafia faking. This explains your assuredness, and why you weren't fussed about (potentially) pointing me out to the mafia.) However, this could all be an elaborate set-up...

BUT! I would feel rather silly if you were indeed detective and we let you die, so
Vote: Husar

-edit-

Am I right in thinking that the Godfather can be investigated, and not come up as guilty? If so, then some of these folk on that investigated list could be far from innocent.

Ok, you give a good example of why the village will likely lose, you didn't even read the important parts of GHs post, you just join voting on me and I haven't even seen a single good reason from anyone for doing that. I tried to provide some reasons for voting, but noone cares to even think about it, it seems. It's all fine, just go ahead and lynch me, I prefer that over getting killed by the mafia, but in the end it won't help us townies.
If someone would at least have tried to dig up something suspicious from me or at least have made a single quote showing why he/she chose to vote me...apart from GH randomly choosing me, that is.

Is it just a weird trend to show many highly suspicious people and then vote for someone else?

[Sir Moody]

this is the second game where sas has had me killed

why sas why?