The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

BUT I don't get why once we're down to 9, a single incorrect lynching guarantees mafia victory. The Godfather cannot create new henchmen each night, correct? So if we take out one of his and one of ours, it's down to the GF and one mafiosa, and seven of us (only one dies). Next round, we lynch the wrong guy and another murder, 5 of us, the GF and the mafiosa. We could still catch both of them at that point. Sure, it makes our job harder, but it could be done...

9 left, lynch one that's 8, 2 die at night that's six, town won't be able to lynch a mafioso since they don't have a majority, 2 die again at night, townie lynched, mafia win.

In any case, you're right. We have to start somewhere. To be perfectly fair, I'm going to find a random number generator and pick a number between 1 and 26. Let's see what the randomizer deals up...(sidenote, many times this is how I pick my faction and even playing era in MTW). Number 11: sorry buddy. Sure glad #7 didn't come up.

Unvote: Abstain

Vote: Crazed Rabbit.

2 things

1. Random number generator won't work because everyone will end up with 1 or 2 votes.

2. No discussion. Mafia can just random vote someone and then sit back and watch. It seems you've found yet another way for the mafia to avoid attention.

Don, the real point of round 1 is not to lynch a mafioso (highly doubtful), but to get the mafia to post so that later in the endgame we can find evidence in these pages.

[Dutch_guy]

Some interesting discussions going on here, do note how at least three fourth of all the people playing hasn't said anything yet - so claiming someone's a mafioso for the sole reason of using a randomizer is a bit overenthusiastic don't you think ?

As for now, I don't really know what to go on, as said, tons of people haven't said anything yet and chances are high one of those is a mafioso.

So for now, Vote:Abstain.

It's getting late here now, so I'm off to bed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Some interesting discussions going on here, do note how at least three fourth of all the people playing hasn't said anything yet - so claiming someone's a mafioso for the sole reason of using a randomizer is a bit overenthusiastic don't you think ?

Well, people respond to accusations...

[Crazed Rabbit]

*At Crazed Rabbit's Tree and Gleann Pub, CR hears the recent news and stops eating his steak*

What's this Don?

I'm getting voted to be lynched (to death, you know!) because of a random number system?!

Of all the farfetched reasons...

Now, I can understand that you're new and all, and I can forgive the 'lets not lynch anyone' and other errors.

But this? This I cannot forgive.

Vote: Don Corleone

You broke my heart, Don, you broke my heart.

CR

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Vote: Abstain

For now, that is...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Kommodus

Sigurd just told me why he suspected Kommodus. I must say it sounds extremely fishy on K's part. I will let Sigurd make his reasons public, though.

[Don Corleone]

I can chalk up not posting to being too busy. Not posting at all is too much of a possible signal and too risky for a mafioso to employ, as sooner or later, not posting will get you lynched. At first, however, I'm far more interested in the 'drive-by one-liners', where somebody posted, so they show up in Seamus' chart, but they make certain they didn't actually contribute anything.

Chief on that list, as I remember the past 48 hours, would be Peasant Phil.

Vote: Peasant Phil

Nothing personal, amigo. Just noticed that you seem to have made a habit by saying nothing in saying something.

For the record, as I pointed out earlier, being a newbie, I could see you guys wanting to get me out of here. I'm not going to vote for myself, but my feelings wouldn't be hurt if you do (especially since the dead can still talk, just not vote).

[Major Robert Dump]

Ignoramus votes for himself while at the same time he joins another mafia game. You guys should oblige the suicidal townsfolk.

The idea of killing off one person instead of two could actually work against the mafia rather than for them because if they don't get the detective, thats one more turn he gets to investigate.

[Don Corleone]

Okay, just for the record, one more time.... can we vote for both mafia or just one?

[Ignoramus]

I am having a lot of trouble in this mafia. Nobody seems suspicious at the moment.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok, game starts and GH tries to get people to abstain:

Vote: Abstain

This will most likely be changed depending on conversation.

And finds my calling him on this suspicious.

Don Corleone also argues in favor of it in a lengthy post. He eventually sees reason and random votes Crazed Rabbit.

Crazed Rabbit then posts this:

*At Crazed Rabbit's Tree and Gleann Pub, CR hears the recent news and stops eating his steak*

What's this Don?

I'm getting voted to be lynched (to death, you know!) because of a random number system?!

Of all the farfetched reasons...

Now, I can understand that you're new and all, and I can forgive the 'lets not lynch anyone' and other errors.

But this? This I cannot forgive.

Vote: Don Corleone

You broke my heart, Don, you broke my heart.

Isn't that nice. After all, mafia wouldn't vote for eachother, would they? But don't worry, they unvote eachother quite quickly.

GeneralH then starts to try and get clues from the mafia kills (the kind of clues that the mafia always plant) and his suspicion list points to (surprise) Myself, Divine Wind, and Ignoramus. Myrddraal agrees with him which is one of the reasons he's on my list. He also questions whether the CoP will be replaced, as if he is questioning whether it would be to the mafia's advantage to lynch Divine Wind now.

Just a thought for those voting DW. If we lynch the CoP will he be replaced? If not, we probably don't want to go about killing him just yet.

Silver?

Crazed Rabbit now Unvotes Don and jumps on the Drisos wagon.

Don Corleone then makes another quite suspicious post. He calls out Proletariat and Xiahou for basing things off of lemurs argument, while neglecting to mention that Myrddraal and GeneralH brought it up as well. Interesting.

Sigurd agrees with him and mentions that they are both using invisibility mode.

Don brings up the Proletariat and Xiahou suspicions again, and makes the suggestion that all those who are posting are innocent.

He then attempts to cast suspicion on me:

-Is it just me or is Sasaki trying very hard to lead the group. To where...?

Which is odd considering his pm to me around the same time:

Kinda goes without saying that I'm pretty damned sure that you're not mafia.

Especially odd considering he has voted for me this round. The only way he could be sure I'm innocent is if he's mafia.

Then comes the mangled kill posting by Silver. Don, Crazed Rabbit, and Myrddraal are all confused by this. From past games I think we can see that the mafia are likely to comment in this situation.

Sigurd posts that he has reason to suspect Kommodus. Remember that it is in the mafia's best interest to lynch Kommodus rather than Kill him because if he's killed he's proved innocent and can still work against him.

Crazed Rabbit and Myrddraal immedietly question his claim (voting would be seen as suspicious). GeneralH is "convinced" by Sigurd in chat and votes Kommodus.

Sigurd explains his argument which is very sketchy. Myrddraal votes for Kommodus while questioning those who vote for Kommodus

Seamus votes Kommodus without giving a reason. This and he general change in posting stile from cosa nuova make me suspect him.https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/editpost.php

Don Corleone immedietly tries to get Sigurd lynched following Kommodus' death (something mentioned earlier by Myrddraal):

This is messed up. The mafia is screwing with us. There's no way we've nailed two of them. I doubt we've even nailed one. Talk about cheesy tricks. Okay, sorry Sigfurd, just too obvious. "Trust you, and all the mafia go away" and then they all do?

Vote: Sigfurd

Crazed Rabbit then posts a long list of who voted for Drisos while ignoring the 2nd round and Sigurd. Oddly enough, I'm the only one on his list who voted for Drisos each time.

Myrddraal votes Don c on poor evidence, and agrees with crazed that I look guilty by that evidence.

Don continues his habit from last round of voting for someone who hasn't been posting much.

I call Myrddraal on his post and he quickly votes me. Notice that he unvotes don and votes me while saying "anyway, what's wrong with my logic? I've tried to consider everything, what have I missed? " So he thinks his logic voting for Don is good but he unvotes him?

Don, Crazed Rabbit, and GeneralHankerchief all jump on the Sasaki wagon

They see a chance to lynch me and go for it. I answer all of their accusations but they quietly leave their vote on me and sit watching the thread doing nothing.


I'll finish this up in a bit...Myrddraal is looking more suspicious than GeneralH at this moment.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Don, Crazed Rabbit, and GeneralHankerchief all jump on the Sasaki wagon

They see a chance to lynch me and go for it. I answer all of their accusations but they quietly leave their vote on me and sit watching the thread doing nothing.

In being so quick to gallantly name the "three mafiosi" you did not respond to my latest defense of your accusations. You call that "quietly leaving [my] vote on [you]?"

And I don't hear you saying anything about the people who voted for the Don. I guess because they're working to save you, they're exempt from the bandwagon rule, huh?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

In being so quick to gallantly name the "three mafiosi" you did not respond to my latest defense of your accusations. You call that "quietly leaving [my] vote on [you]?"

It took you some time. Also it went like this:

You accused me with some arguments.

I pointed out that your arguments applied more strongly to you than me.

You did not dispute this in your reply.

And I don't hear you saying anything about the people who voted for the Don. I guess because they're working to save you, they're exempt from the bandwagon rule, huh?

You mean...husar and Xiahou? They've suspected Don for a while. In Xiahous case it was because of that PM Don sent him. The only other vote on Don is my own, and I have ample reasoning.

Remember, bandwagoning is when a significant part of your reason for voting someone is that they already have votes on them.





Also you people should consider this: in the Godfather pt1, GeneralH selected one experienced player and one new player. Avoided putting all his eggs in one basket as it were. It's likely the godfather has taken the same strategy this time, choosing Don C and Myrddraal.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No you're not. You are trying to distract people from the arguments laid out previously. Too bad, I'm reposting it:

(didn't copy quotes)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, since you never responded to mine, which was posted first, why don't you go ahead?

[Cowhead418]

9 left, lynch one that's 8, 2 die at night that's six, town won't be able to lynch a mafioso since they don't have a majority, 2 die again at night, townie lynched, mafia win.

2 things - I'm not disagreeing with you here about lynching, I'm just making a point:

1. If we lynch a mafioso, that means that only ONE person will be killed the next night, not two.

2. If we lynch the Godfather, we win. We don't need to execute his henchmen to achieve victory.

For now, I Vote: Drisos for using some sketchy reasoning. If you noticed, Divine Wind did not use the Snowman in Cosa Nuova and was innocent despite the change in behavior. I agree with Sasaki here. We have to get everyone into the discussion. If the mafia barely have to talk, then they can avoid attention. This is what happened in the last Godfather - there was very little discussion so I easily avoided suspicion. The last time I tried to promote discussion I got lynched, but I urge the town to not allow the lurkers or one-liners to get-by so easily this time around.