The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Does anybody else find it odd that two people, not one, not three but two focused their argument on Lemur's old enemies?

Now that is interesting. Who were they?

I know when I set up kills wanting the town to think a certain thing I was careful not to mention it. These mafiosos may not have been so careful though.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Don C:

I see you're clambering up the learning curve nicely. I knew I pushed to save you for a reason.

Let me look up the twain....

[Drisos]

Drisos = 4, Dutch., Don C & Divine Wind = 2

So I'm about to be executed? Please don't! Lynch me later if I survive. Lynch someone else now, lynching me won't help you

In order to have a chance of survival:

Unvote: Dutch_Guy
Vote: Don Corleone

After all, I'm sure about myself being innocent, can't say that about Don.

[Silver Rusher]

Sorry, Drisos...

***VOTING CLOSED****

[Divine Wind]

Does anybody else find it odd that with a little over 2 hours left to go, our chief of police, who himself has aroused suspicions in some, has had nothing to say?

The first round is all just speculation, there is not really much to go on at all. However certain Mafia members in other games have made mistakes in their first couple of posts, so it is something to bear in mind, especially in round two.

By the way, my role has no privileges or hindsights like the detective. All I do is PM Silver Rusher on how I want the lynched person to be executed!

So far, everyone is keeping their cards close to their chests.

[Don Corleone]

Is there a gap between when the mafia select their targets and when voting closes?

It would be really interesting to make a really strong argument to lynch somebody, but wait until after they've sent in their kill orders for the day. If the following day the arguer dies, you'll know the person they were trying to prosecute was guilty (mafia will be thinking 'whew, just barely made it. Better get him out of there before he does me any real damage'). If I get picked off tonight.... seek the two who speak as one .

[Csargo]

Is there a gap between when the mafia select their targets and when voting closes?

It would be really interesting to make a really strong argument to lynch somebody, but wait until after they've sent in their kill orders for the day. If the following day the arguer dies, you'll know the person they were trying to prosecute was guilty (mafia will be thinking 'whew, just barely made it. Better get him out of there before he does me any real damage'). If I get picked off tonight.... seek the two who speak as one .

Who are your two? Cause I count three.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Is there a gap between when the mafia select their targets and when voting closes?

It would be really interesting to make a really strong argument to lynch somebody, but wait until after they've sent in their kill orders for the day. If the following day the arguer dies, you'll know the person they were trying to prosecute was guilty (mafia will be thinking 'whew, just barely made it. Better get him out of there before he does me any real damage'). If I get picked off tonight.... seek the two who speak as one .

Dangerous ground. Anyway the mafia officially choose there kills up to a day after the voting closes. Sometimes sooner. But in your scenario you can't rule out coincidence. People argue against someone who is innocent, then die, this happens all the time.

[Sigurd]

Now that is interesting. Who were they?

I know when I set up kills wanting the town to think a certain thing I was careful not to mention it. These mafiosos may not have been so careful though.

Would that be our players with the hidden profile activity?
Could our Godfather have chosen two of the three players that have chosen to hide their activity level?
Since Kommodus is playing, it could be the Godfather is afraid of getting caught beacuse of someone monitoring pm activity.
Our Godfather could even be Kommodus.

Awaiting a mafia visit this coming night.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Would that be our players with the hidden profile activity?
Could our Godfather have chosen two of the three players that have chosen to hide their activity level?
Since Kommodus is playing, it could be the Godfather is afraid of getting caught beacuse of someone monitoring pm activity.
Our Godfather could even be Kommodus.

Awaiting a mafia visit this coming night.

Hey, there's a thought. Since Kommodus found the mafia so quickly last game, he'd be a good choice for mafioso.

[Silver Rusher]

Evening in the Gameroom.

Chief of Police Divine Wind rolled his eyes as he was handed the tally with the votes on it. He was only a single vote away from being in a tie with Drisos. Surprisingly for a first round, however, not a single person had voted not to lynch anyone. Most of them had abstained.

"Very well," he began with a loud voice to the expectant crowd, "Those of you who didn't abstain (he rolled his eyes again) chose to lynch Drisos. As this is the case, we have brought in a special guest to deal with the execution." He pulled a dirty cloth from what looked like a large chair next to it.

"This is the electric chair." DW began, gesturing to the machine, "All we need to do is put Drisos in the chair," he grabbed Drisos and forcefully shoved him into the electric chair, "Then, we strap him in," he said, before following his own instructions, "Then, place a damp sponge on his head," he took out a kitchen sponge from a bucket of water and squeesed it, before putting it on Drisos' head, "Finally, we place electrodes on his body and pull the switch." Electrodes were clumsily placed on Drisos' head and legs, and DW pulled the switch.

Nothing happened.

"Hmm, must have forgotten something..." he said, flipping the switch back and forth frustratedly, "Maybe the electrodes went on the wrong way round." He switched the electrodes and pulled the switch. Again, nothing happened.

"You need to shave his head and legs!"

Ignoring this, DW then mused, "Perhaps the sponge isn't damp enough."
He clumsily picked up the bucket and poured it on Drisos' head, which became soaked along with his clothes and body, "There we go. Maybe I need to turn up the voltage, too." He changed the voltage from 2,000 to 5,000. "That should do it."

DW pulled the switch, and after the water vapourised Drisos' body caught fire.

"YAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGHHH!!!" He screamed in agony and spasmed uncontrollably for a few seconds, even breaking the flimsy metal cuffs and landing on the floor. Although he died quickly, his body remained on fire for a long time afterwards, along with the chair itself which had already been reduced to a crisp.

"Woops..." DW turned around the bucket to see "Spare Diesel for Car" scribbled on the back." He flinched when he saw this.

"Err... go home everybody. Nothing to see here." DW backed away slowly, before starting to run.

Tally:
Abstain: 11 votes
Drisos: 3 votes
Divine Wind: 2 votes
GeneralHankerchief: 2 votes
Dutch_guy, theRTWGuru and Ignoramus: 1 vote each

Status List

Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar

Lynched:
Drisos

Still alive:
Sasaki Kojiro
Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Csar
GeneralHankerchief
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Seamus Fernanagh
Byzantine Mercenary
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Xiahou
Peasant Phill
Sir Moody
Cowhead418
Kommodus
Dutch_guy
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Major Robert Dump
Destroyer of Hope
theRTWGuru
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

PMs please guys.

[Don Corleone]

Now isn't that a pisser. The mafia is screwing with us... they didn't kill anybody this round, just letting us do their dirty work for them. Poor Drisos, we hardly knew ye.... Hey, Chief, invest in some eyeglasses, huh?

[Csargo]

Let's see if I can explain this.

There are two seperate times in the game. One is daytime when we vote to lynch people. Second is night time when the mafia kill people and the Detectives investigate I think. Hope that helps

[Sigurd]

Now isn't that a pisser. The mafia is screwing with us... they didn't kill anybody this round, just letting us do their dirty work for them. Poor Drisos, we hardly knew ye.... Hey, Chief, invest in some eyeglasses, huh?

Alright Donny boy,
There is two phases to a day.. the night where the mafia kills - the day when the townies lynch...

Day 1:
Lemur and Ultrawar is killed during the night
Drisos is lynched during the day.

Day 2:
night is soon upon us.


[edit]:damn Csar... do you do this often?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That was quite gruesome.

[Don Corleone]

But quite imaginitive!

So, around this time tomorrow night is the next night phase, and we'll find out who's the next mafia kills? Okay, I got it. The 'night' and 'day' were throwing me. So each 'night' happens every other real day, with 'day' thrown in every other day, on the off day, as well?

[Csargo]

[edit]:damn Csar... do you do this often?

As much as I can.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

But quite imaginitive!

So, around this time tomorrow night is the next night phase, and we'll find out who's the next mafia kills? Okay, I got it. The 'night' and 'day' were throwing me. So each 'night' happens every other real day, with 'day' thrown in every other day, on the off day, as well?

And then there are "leap days" in which the amount of time in the day is reduced by a certain amount according to the percentage of the moon that is currently visible. Today is Wednesday, right?

[Don Corleone]

Today is Wednesday. Our next lynching will take place on Friday, and there will be mafia kills on Thursday and Saturday, if I understand the game time correctly.

Sorry mafia, guess you're not screwing with us or being lazy.

[Major Robert Dump]

Ok, had I remembered before leaving for work this morning I would have possibly withdrew my vote and requested everyone abstain from a lynching...sorry Divine Wind, it's just that I don't like the role of chief or really even thinks it serves a purpose, particularly if the chief is always replaced. (is it random or a vote?) Nonetheless, investigating the Chief should always be the detectives first priority, whoever he may be.

I realize this argument has been had in all the other games before, as well as this game, but lets see if I understand this:

-Last round, our chances of lynching an innocent is 22:3, including a lynch of the detective
-We will lose two innocents per round regardless, yet by lynching we guarantee we lose 3, taking into account the 22:3 curve
-I know it makes for boring play, but until we have a smaller pool of innocents, our chances of a good lynching is not increased...if we lose 2 per round our chances will go 20:3/18:3/16:3/14:3...if we lose 3 per round we will taper more quickly to the kill zone at 19:3/16:3/13:3/11:3 but we will also more quickly reach the point where the mafia have the upperhand because of their voting advantage. This, of course, is all assuming our lynchings up to that point have all been bad lynchings. In the case of a good lynching, which we wouldn't know until the next morning after the mob kills are posted, our raw chances of lynching the right person would go down, but our voting and guilt by association reasoning would give us the upperhand.

This is my first time in the game, and I'm quite confused TBH. Someone needs to hurry up and do something suspicious so I can make a lynch vote with good conscious, if there is such a thing.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We could abstain for 3 rounds. 6 innocents would die.

or

We could vote for 2 rounds. 4 innocents would die, + 2 more would probably die, but we have the chance at hitting a mafioso.

Therefore it is to our advantage to lynch, even without taking into consideration that rounds without discussion are useless. Also, in Mafia IV we lynched a mafioso round two on the same kind of weak evidence we lynched Drisos with this game.

[Csargo]

Sasaki's right (oh how I hate to say that ) not lynching someone each round is not smart on our part. Even if we do kill some people we still have a chance of killing a mafioso or even the Godfather. I think it is best to lynch someone each round for if we don't we may end up screwed in the end which will not be good.

[Major Robert Dump]

I see that voting for oneself does not constitute suicide, otherwise Ignoramus would be dead. If he truly wants out of the game, I don't understand why he has already signed up for another mafia game in the making.

If he plans on being inactive and we lynch him, it could be viewed as a wasted lynching if we look back a week from now and see he isn't playing anymore.

On the other hand, it could be a poor attempt at a bluff

[Don Corleone]

Well, I've got several ideas running through my head... several angles I've noticed in the posts so far. I'm just curious about the correlation between 'thinking out loud' and winding up on the hitlist. My guess is relatively high. Well, so be it. It'll give you guys a peek into who the mafia may be.

I saw three trends in the first round that disturbed me:

-Proletariat and Xiahou starting that red herring theory of a revenge killing on Lemur in the first round. Both are too intelligent to really entertain such a plot that is so obvious, no Godfather would possibly entertain.

-I'm surprised that despite the tone of the discussion, bordering on equating not posting to suspicious behavior, several didn't post and several more posted a one line at best. But obviously 7 people aren't in the mafia...

-Is it just me or is Sasaki trying very hard to lead the group. To where...?

Just remember, I sleep with one eye open, one foot on the floor and one hand on the trigger of my 12 gague....

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, I've got several ideas running through my head... several angles I've noticed in the posts so far. I'm just curious about the correlation between 'thinking out loud' and winding up on the hitlist. My guess is relatively high. Well, so be it. It'll give you guys a peek into who the mafia may be.

Well, the mafia usually leave alive the people who get voted for...you're in good shape in that regard.

-Is it just me or is Sasaki trying very hard to lead the group. To where...?

To a town victory of course.

[Major Robert Dump]

Aside from the mafia, the detective would obviously be trying to subtley lead the town without drawing too much attention to himself. Detective seems like a high stress job.

[Xiahou]

-Proletariat and Xiahou starting that red herring theory of a revenge killing on Lemur in the first round. Both are too intelligent to really entertain such a plot that is so obvious, no Godfather would possibly entertain.

If I were too 'smart' to suspect that, wouldn't I also be too smart to draw such unecessary attention to myself so early in the game?

Personally, I think you give the mafia too much credit. I believe they often target former adversaries- they probably don't see it as revenge, but rather see it as disposing of a threat.

-Is it just me or is Sasaki trying very hard to lead the group. To where...?

He's always suspicious. I almost tend to think he should be lynched just to play it safe.

[Csargo]

Finally someone gets it.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Sorry I missed the first few pages, I'll read them and try to get back in this game.

[Proletariat]

-Proletariat and Xiahou starting that red herring theory of a revenge killing on Lemur in the first round. Both are too intelligent to really entertain such a plot that is so obvious, no Godfather would possibly entertain.

All we ever have to go on for sussing out mafiosos are from who they kill. Yeah, it's the first round, but if you look back through the other games Lemur was in, it's become almost an Org joke to harass or lynch him. It's weak, I know, but it's the first round. We gotta start somewhere.

Edit: I agree that a smart Mafioso with public beef in prior games with Lemur, wouldn't have been so ham handed, but you have to remember that we have stupid people playing too.