The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Husar]

I did not have sex with that woman

Eh, holding off for now... :eyes Husar:

It's pretty obvious that she has only eyes for me...

[Proletariat]

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Husar

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh snap!

[Kommodus]

Wow, I'm gone for six or seven hours, and come back to find a big pile of votes for me. What'd'ya know.

Whatever all your reasons are for voting for me (which don't seem to have been articulated publicly much), they're wrong - I'm not the Godfather, and I wasn't chosen as a mafioso either. Think about it, guys - why would the Godfather select someone who openly said, before the game even started, that he wouldn't be able to participate fully?

I've got no special role in this game; just a regular villager. As for Sigurd's bewildering assertion that I'm the Godfather, I can only guess why he claims this. Maybe this is my own tactics from Mafia IV coming back to bite me - claiming to have knowledge of the guilty party, but refusing to reveal how this knowledge was obtained. The difference is that while I was right, Sigurd is, in this case, utterly wrong.

Now, that much will be obvious when I am lynched and the game continues, since once the Godfather dies the game is over. But I think that when this happens, you should demand that Sigurd explain himself. I have a lot of respect for his deductive abilities, and his accusation of me makes no sense. Obviously GeneralHankerchief has heard Sigurd's argument and was convinced, but since the conclusion is false then either the assumptions or the reasoning are flawed. Sigurd, why don't you make your reasoning public?

The question has been asked why I'm not using my method from Mafia IV here to sniff out the mafia. For the answer to that, go back to the end of Mafia IV and read my posts, in which I promised not to use that method ever again. My self-imposed moratorium still stands; I'm deliberately forcing myself to rely on more conventional tactics.

Anyway, I doubt any of this will sway the outcome, as many votes have already been cast in my direction. Ah, well - this will be the first time I have the pleasure of being falsely lynched. Don't worry; I remain a loyal townsperson, and I don't blame any of you. Just remember the outcome of Silver's last game, and try to use better reasoning next time.

[Death Match]

It looks like nobody is suspecting me for anything. I, however, think in a different way. We live in a world, Gameroom, where anything is possible. I could be the Godfather! I could even be a mafioso. I am not saying any of these are true, but the point is, hey, don't just suspect on people who are posting - people who are not posting may be trying to keep their cover!

[Csargo]

It looks like nobody is suspecting me for anything. I, however, think in a different way. We live in a world, Gameroom, where anything is possible. I could be the Godfather! I could even be a mafioso. I am not saying any of these are true, but the point is, hey, don't just suspect on people who are posting - people who are not posting may be trying to keep their cover!

We all know that already most of us have played more than one mafia game.

[Csargo]

It's pretty obvious that she has only eyes for me...

Obviously she wants you dead.

[Cowhead418]

I was very busy tonight so I don't have time to put together solid thought on this round. I too am intrigued about this 'evidence' Sigurd has against Kommodus. But for this round I will Vote: Abstain.

[Sigurd]

Alright Kommodus you gave a pretty good defence and considering you are leading the votes, a convincing one.
I will now put forth my evidence and suspicion and we will see if the townies agree with my conclusion.

On the eve of the very start of this game after Silver’s first announcement that he had sent PM’s out, I got a pm while surfing the .org and I think I was looking at some profiles.
My heart was jumping and I expected to find Silver’s Godfather PM there. Mind you my heart did not jump for joy.
The pm was from you Kommodus. And first I thought nothing of it, but later I found it highly suspicious.
This is it:

Out of curiosity, what did your military service involve?

Why did you send me this? You knew I would give a full answer as I did and spent some time in the PM typing up the answer. Anyone monitoring pm activity would have caught me sending a pm at that crucial moment. Considering you hiding your activity no-one could have seen your pm’ing.
I think you are the Godfather as Silver had a round of role distribution after all this as well.
I think it has been a while since I mentioned anything about my career in the military and your pm strikes me as a diversion especially since you never replied with a thanx or a comment. Maybe it was because I told you in my pm that I got a little afraid that I had been assigned a role. You realised your mistake and hoped I would forget all about it.
If all the above is just nothing, I still believe you a candidate for being chosen by the Godfather.
My vote stands.

[Ignoramus]

That does sound suspicious. Perhaps also for another reason. Perhaps Kommodus was looking for "interesting" ways of eliminating his victims...

[Sir Moody]

thats a very weak set of evidence and komm is usually very good at picking mafia when hes a townie so i think we can risk leaving him alive considering the evidence we have is flimsy at best

Don o nthe other hand is making me very nervous with all these "newbie" posts ive only been in 2 Mafia before this so im a newbie but i never posted like that... hes very very suspicous

unvote: abstain
Vote: Don Corleone

[Death Match]

Whatever you people think. I think that we can rely on our detective to figure out whether or not Kommodos is guilty or not. Sigurd Fafnesbane, I find your evidence a bit suspicious. Maybe you are trying to defend your cover and divert attention to another person?

Don't draw into a conclusion, my friend. I will not vote for you, but I hope the detective investigates pretty soon.

That is not to say that Kommodos is not a guilty one. Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't. But because I trust you, Sigurd Fafnesbane, I am voting for him.

Vote: Kommodos

[Sigurd]

Whatever you people think. I think that we can rely on our detective to figure out whether or not Kommodos is guilty or not.

One thing is sure; the detective is of no use when it comes to ferreting out the Godfather as he comes up innocent if investigated.

If Kommodus is innocent, I will gladly take a lynching myself as deserved.

[Kommodus]

I think it has been a while since I mentioned anything about my career in the military and your pm strikes me as a diversion especially since you never replied with a thanx or a comment.

Actually, it hasn't been that long, Sigurd - you mentioned it at the end of Mafia IV; something about having worked in the field during your military service. That's what I was curious about.

I guess this is my belated "thanks" for your reply. Sorry I didn't send it sooner. Regardless, I asked you that purely out of curiosity due to your post in Mafia IV.

Sigurd, I think you're being sincere, but it really is just a big misunderstanding. Most of the people here are surely smart enough to know that simple-minded "profile watching" will not net you a mafioso. There was some speculation that that's what I used in Mafia IV, but believe me when I say there was a lot more to it than that. Besides, many of the methods available to the mafia to defeat profile watching were discussed in Cosa Nuova, most prominently by you. If you were a mafioso, you'd use them.

Congratulations, though, on getting a townie lynched. I repeat it one last time: I'm innocent, and that will be clear eventually, though you may have to wait till the end of the game to see it.

Maybe next time I'm tempted to ask a friendly question I'll quell my curiosity...

[Peasant Phill]

@Don Corleone
No worries mate. I understand your vote. I've always acted under the radar and posted very little, it's what keeps me alive and what kills me. No one notices me until the mafia starts to kill people who aren't suspicious. I only survived one game and it was because the doc saved me (and after I killed the tiger of course) and the mafia didn't get any time to kill innocents. The reason for my act is:
1) to survive a few rounds
2) I don't accuse or defend people to stoutly as a few lines of text on this forum usualy doesn't prove a thing. I can only give my suspicions
3) real life. By the time I get round to reading the forum (at least once a day) many new posts were written and most of the time I feel I don't have much left to add.

Vote: Abstain
nothing more than hunches

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Most of the people here are surely smart enough to know that simple-minded "profile watching" will not net you a mafioso. There was some speculation that that's what I used in Mafia IV, but believe me when I say there was a lot more to it than that. Besides, many of the methods available to the mafia to defeat profile watching were discussed in Cosa Nuova, most prominently by you. If you were a mafioso, you'd use them.

....with respect, it was by precisely that method that Hanky identified Destroyer as a potential mafioso in Cosa Nuova. Destro was lynched based -- I suspect -- on Hanky's efforts, and Hanky had certainly PM'd me with his evidence to insure that Destroyer was my next investigation (made unnecessary by his demise).

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Kommodus

[Sigurd]

Most of the people here are surely smart enough to know that simple-minded "profile watching" will not net you a mafioso.

Actually this is how GH got DoH in your game... It was doc_bean's and my warning that sharpened him up. No wonder GH was pissed at me.

[edit]: damn, too late again

[Kommodus]

Really, that's how you guys got DoH? How about that... and as you'll see in the write-up soon, I was having my mafiosos communicating with me through e-mail to try to counteract that approach (although they didn't always follow my suggestion).

Well, nothing I can say is going to make any difference, so go ahead, finish me off. But I'll be the one laughing at the end of the game and saying "I told you so." Really, Sigurd, was lynching one of the town's most potentially helpful citizens worth such a taint on your reputation? Up until this point, I've had such respect for your deductive powers, and I suspect others have had the same respect. Ah well, no one's infallible...

See y'all in "The Black Hand."

EDIT:

Somewhere a Godfather is laughing his/her @ss off.

Somehow I feel that must be true.

[Sigurd]

Really, that's how you guys got DoH? How about that... and as you'll see in the write-up soon, I was having my mafiosos communicating with me through e-mail to try to counteract that approach (although they didn't always follow my suggestion).

I just took GH's word for it.

Really, Sigurd, was lynching one of the town's most potentially helpful citizens worth such a taint on your reputation? Up until this point, I've had such respect for your deductive powers, and I suspect others have had the same respect. Ah well, no one's infallible...

Now, now.. Are you trying to change my vote? If I let you off the hook now and you are in fact the Godfather, the game will be all yours.
In Mafia we lynch on suspicion. Even though you claim innocence you could still be lying. It comes with the trade of being mafioso. There is just no way of knowing as I can't read your body language.

[Csargo]

Alright Kommodus you gave a pretty good defence and considering you are leading the votes, a convincing one.
I will now put forth my evidence and suspicion and we will see if the townies agree with my conclusion.

On the eve of the very start of this game after Silver’s first announcement that he had sent PM’s out, I got a pm while surfing the .org and I think I was looking at some profiles.
My heart was jumping and I expected to find Silver’s Godfather PM there. Mind you my heart did not jump for joy.
The pm was from you Kommodus. And first I thought nothing of it, but later I found it highly suspicious.
This is it:

Why did you send me this? You knew I would give a full answer as I did and spent some time in the PM typing up the answer. Anyone monitoring pm activity would have caught me sending a pm at that crucial moment. Considering you hiding your activity no-one could have seen your pm’ing.
I think you are the Godfather as Silver had a round of role distribution after all this as well.
I think it has been a while since I mentioned anything about my career in the military and your pm strikes me as a diversion especially since you never replied with a thanx or a comment. Maybe it was because I told you in my pm that I got a little afraid that I had been assigned a role. You realised your mistake and hoped I would forget all about it.
If all the above is just nothing, I still believe you a candidate for being chosen by the Godfather.
My vote stands.

I think this is too much of a coincidence on Kommodus's part. Seems very suspicious on his part plus it seems pointless. A good cover I think so my vote stays.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ok, just to clear a few things up:

Yes, I did catch DoH PMing up a storm the first night of Cosa Nouva. I also checked his recent posts to see if any were PM-worthy. None were. It's a reason I was somewhat angered at Sigurd for posting how to beat my Big Brother method.

I did PM Seamus the evidence (screenshots), but with a request that he not reveal that these came from me. I guess that's moot now. I did tell a couple of other people in the chat why I suspected DoH (and persuaded Csar and Disco to change their votes to him) but did not give them the evidence.

I suspect that this is why Sigurd told me before everyone else. Maybe he wanted an ally to take a threat out of the game. Maybe he was being truthful and wanted to get a mafioso. But for now, the evidence against Kommodus does seem shaky. My vote stands, but there had better be only one kill next round.

[Sigurd]

I guess playing this game is giving you a slight dose of paranoia.
Not good...

Somewhere a Godfather is laughing his/her @ss off.