The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Csargo]

It's pretty obvious that she has only eyes for me...

Obviously she wants you dead.

[Cowhead418]

I was very busy tonight so I don't have time to put together solid thought on this round. I too am intrigued about this 'evidence' Sigurd has against Kommodus. But for this round I will Vote: Abstain.

[Kommodus]

Wow, I'm gone for six or seven hours, and come back to find a big pile of votes for me. What'd'ya know.

Whatever all your reasons are for voting for me (which don't seem to have been articulated publicly much), they're wrong - I'm not the Godfather, and I wasn't chosen as a mafioso either. Think about it, guys - why would the Godfather select someone who openly said, before the game even started, that he wouldn't be able to participate fully?

I've got no special role in this game; just a regular villager. As for Sigurd's bewildering assertion that I'm the Godfather, I can only guess why he claims this. Maybe this is my own tactics from Mafia IV coming back to bite me - claiming to have knowledge of the guilty party, but refusing to reveal how this knowledge was obtained. The difference is that while I was right, Sigurd is, in this case, utterly wrong.

Now, that much will be obvious when I am lynched and the game continues, since once the Godfather dies the game is over. But I think that when this happens, you should demand that Sigurd explain himself. I have a lot of respect for his deductive abilities, and his accusation of me makes no sense. Obviously GeneralHankerchief has heard Sigurd's argument and was convinced, but since the conclusion is false then either the assumptions or the reasoning are flawed. Sigurd, why don't you make your reasoning public?

The question has been asked why I'm not using my method from Mafia IV here to sniff out the mafia. For the answer to that, go back to the end of Mafia IV and read my posts, in which I promised not to use that method ever again. My self-imposed moratorium still stands; I'm deliberately forcing myself to rely on more conventional tactics.

Anyway, I doubt any of this will sway the outcome, as many votes have already been cast in my direction. Ah, well - this will be the first time I have the pleasure of being falsely lynched. Don't worry; I remain a loyal townsperson, and I don't blame any of you. Just remember the outcome of Silver's last game, and try to use better reasoning next time.

[Death Match]

It looks like nobody is suspecting me for anything. I, however, think in a different way. We live in a world, Gameroom, where anything is possible. I could be the Godfather! I could even be a mafioso. I am not saying any of these are true, but the point is, hey, don't just suspect on people who are posting - people who are not posting may be trying to keep their cover!

[Csargo]

It looks like nobody is suspecting me for anything. I, however, think in a different way. We live in a world, Gameroom, where anything is possible. I could be the Godfather! I could even be a mafioso. I am not saying any of these are true, but the point is, hey, don't just suspect on people who are posting - people who are not posting may be trying to keep their cover!

We all know that already most of us have played more than one mafia game.

[Sigurd]

Alright Kommodus you gave a pretty good defence and considering you are leading the votes, a convincing one.
I will now put forth my evidence and suspicion and we will see if the townies agree with my conclusion.

On the eve of the very start of this game after Silver’s first announcement that he had sent PM’s out, I got a pm while surfing the .org and I think I was looking at some profiles.
My heart was jumping and I expected to find Silver’s Godfather PM there. Mind you my heart did not jump for joy.
The pm was from you Kommodus. And first I thought nothing of it, but later I found it highly suspicious.
This is it:

Out of curiosity, what did your military service involve?

Why did you send me this? You knew I would give a full answer as I did and spent some time in the PM typing up the answer. Anyone monitoring pm activity would have caught me sending a pm at that crucial moment. Considering you hiding your activity no-one could have seen your pm’ing.
I think you are the Godfather as Silver had a round of role distribution after all this as well.
I think it has been a while since I mentioned anything about my career in the military and your pm strikes me as a diversion especially since you never replied with a thanx or a comment. Maybe it was because I told you in my pm that I got a little afraid that I had been assigned a role. You realised your mistake and hoped I would forget all about it.
If all the above is just nothing, I still believe you a candidate for being chosen by the Godfather.
My vote stands.

[Ignoramus]

That does sound suspicious. Perhaps also for another reason. Perhaps Kommodus was looking for "interesting" ways of eliminating his victims...

[Sir Moody]

thats a very weak set of evidence and komm is usually very good at picking mafia when hes a townie so i think we can risk leaving him alive considering the evidence we have is flimsy at best

Don o nthe other hand is making me very nervous with all these "newbie" posts ive only been in 2 Mafia before this so im a newbie but i never posted like that... hes very very suspicous

unvote: abstain
Vote: Don Corleone

[Death Match]

Whatever you people think. I think that we can rely on our detective to figure out whether or not Kommodos is guilty or not. Sigurd Fafnesbane, I find your evidence a bit suspicious. Maybe you are trying to defend your cover and divert attention to another person?

Don't draw into a conclusion, my friend. I will not vote for you, but I hope the detective investigates pretty soon.

That is not to say that Kommodos is not a guilty one. Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't. But because I trust you, Sigurd Fafnesbane, I am voting for him.

Vote: Kommodos

[Sigurd]

Whatever you people think. I think that we can rely on our detective to figure out whether or not Kommodos is guilty or not.

One thing is sure; the detective is of no use when it comes to ferreting out the Godfather as he comes up innocent if investigated.

If Kommodus is innocent, I will gladly take a lynching myself as deserved.

[Myrddraal]

If Kommodus is innocent, I will gladly take a lynching myself as deserved.

It would be deserved. For all we know, you could be pulling a Sasaki on us (leading the crowd in the last godfather), and doing it in a very clever way with that last little comment.

However, how will we ever know? The mafia are only killing one person, so we can never be sure when we've got one... That's surely what they intend (although it's probably very foolish so early on in the game)... Unless of course we really did get a mafia


Don Corleone I'm not liking the attitude. I just think the continuous asking of newbie questions seems like perfect cover for a mafia member. Husar has been going down that route too. I think Husar made it without anyone commenting on this behavior yet. We need to keep all behavior in the spotlight, don't let anything slip or get forgotten etc.

Still, I'm not feeling enlightened. Vote:... I don't know...

Vote:Kommodus
Since we can't find out if you're right Sigurd, I've got my eye on you

EDIT: I'm also thinking about those who followed Sigurd blindly...

[Kommodus]

I think it has been a while since I mentioned anything about my career in the military and your pm strikes me as a diversion especially since you never replied with a thanx or a comment.

Actually, it hasn't been that long, Sigurd - you mentioned it at the end of Mafia IV; something about having worked in the field during your military service. That's what I was curious about.

I guess this is my belated "thanks" for your reply. Sorry I didn't send it sooner. Regardless, I asked you that purely out of curiosity due to your post in Mafia IV.

Sigurd, I think you're being sincere, but it really is just a big misunderstanding. Most of the people here are surely smart enough to know that simple-minded "profile watching" will not net you a mafioso. There was some speculation that that's what I used in Mafia IV, but believe me when I say there was a lot more to it than that. Besides, many of the methods available to the mafia to defeat profile watching were discussed in Cosa Nuova, most prominently by you. If you were a mafioso, you'd use them.

Congratulations, though, on getting a townie lynched. I repeat it one last time: I'm innocent, and that will be clear eventually, though you may have to wait till the end of the game to see it.

Maybe next time I'm tempted to ask a friendly question I'll quell my curiosity...

[Sigurd]

I guess playing this game is giving you a slight dose of paranoia.
Not good...

Somewhere a Godfather is laughing his/her @ss off.

[Peasant Phill]

@Don Corleone
No worries mate. I understand your vote. I've always acted under the radar and posted very little, it's what keeps me alive and what kills me. No one notices me until the mafia starts to kill people who aren't suspicious. I only survived one game and it was because the doc saved me (and after I killed the tiger of course) and the mafia didn't get any time to kill innocents. The reason for my act is:
1) to survive a few rounds
2) I don't accuse or defend people to stoutly as a few lines of text on this forum usualy doesn't prove a thing. I can only give my suspicions
3) real life. By the time I get round to reading the forum (at least once a day) many new posts were written and most of the time I feel I don't have much left to add.

Vote: Abstain
nothing more than hunches

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Most of the people here are surely smart enough to know that simple-minded "profile watching" will not net you a mafioso. There was some speculation that that's what I used in Mafia IV, but believe me when I say there was a lot more to it than that. Besides, many of the methods available to the mafia to defeat profile watching were discussed in Cosa Nuova, most prominently by you. If you were a mafioso, you'd use them.

....with respect, it was by precisely that method that Hanky identified Destroyer as a potential mafioso in Cosa Nuova. Destro was lynched based -- I suspect -- on Hanky's efforts, and Hanky had certainly PM'd me with his evidence to insure that Destroyer was my next investigation (made unnecessary by his demise).

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Kommodus

[Sigurd]

Most of the people here are surely smart enough to know that simple-minded "profile watching" will not net you a mafioso.

Actually this is how GH got DoH in your game... It was doc_bean's and my warning that sharpened him up. No wonder GH was pissed at me.

[edit]: damn, too late again

[Kommodus]

Really, that's how you guys got DoH? How about that... and as you'll see in the write-up soon, I was having my mafiosos communicating with me through e-mail to try to counteract that approach (although they didn't always follow my suggestion).

Well, nothing I can say is going to make any difference, so go ahead, finish me off. But I'll be the one laughing at the end of the game and saying "I told you so." Really, Sigurd, was lynching one of the town's most potentially helpful citizens worth such a taint on your reputation? Up until this point, I've had such respect for your deductive powers, and I suspect others have had the same respect. Ah well, no one's infallible...

See y'all in "The Black Hand."

EDIT:

Somewhere a Godfather is laughing his/her @ss off.

Somehow I feel that must be true.

[Sigurd]

Really, that's how you guys got DoH? How about that... and as you'll see in the write-up soon, I was having my mafiosos communicating with me through e-mail to try to counteract that approach (although they didn't always follow my suggestion).

I just took GH's word for it.

Really, Sigurd, was lynching one of the town's most potentially helpful citizens worth such a taint on your reputation? Up until this point, I've had such respect for your deductive powers, and I suspect others have had the same respect. Ah well, no one's infallible...

Now, now.. Are you trying to change my vote? If I let you off the hook now and you are in fact the Godfather, the game will be all yours.
In Mafia we lynch on suspicion. Even though you claim innocence you could still be lying. It comes with the trade of being mafioso. There is just no way of knowing as I can't read your body language.

[Kommodus]

Now, now.. Are you trying to change my vote?

Not in the slightest; I wouldn't dream of it. Like I said, this is the first time I've had the pleasure of being falsely lynched. It's really quite a unique experience. Simply hunting down mafiosos was becoming almost... banal.

Besides, the timing of my PM was a little questionable, I suppose. I'd thought of asking you the question before, but was busy and hadn't gotten around to it. BTW, it sounds like you had a very interesting time in the military.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm. Sigurd's PM reasoning is not convincing in the slightest. However Kommodus' defence does not sound innocent and I already had a good reason to vote him.

[Myrddraal]

Hmm. Sigurd's PM reasoning is not convincing in the slightest. However Kommodus' defence does not sound innocent and I already had a good reason to vote him.

I'd say that's actually the most convincing thing so far. The theories posted so far have been quite weak. Not that surprising really so early in the game.

[Kommodus]

However Kommodus' defence does not sound innocent and I already had a good reason to vote him.

Hehe, I've been known to have a way of acting guilty even when I'm innocent - especially when I'm innocent, in fact. When I start acting innocent is when you really have to watch out.

Out of curiosity, what's your reason to vote for me? Because I'd make a good choice as a mafia grunt for the Godfather?

[Divine Wind]

I think the problem we have in this game, is that everyone is quite clued up on how to survive the early rounds on Mafia. Basically, keep a low profile, dont post to often, dont accuse, just abstain and bandwagon another players voting reason.

We need to be more actively accusing people. Its when players become more defensive that they make mistakes in their posts, and lead us to small clues and suspicions.

From reading the last few posts, im going to vote for Sigurd. Why? Well because its a good tactic for mafiosa to start bandwagoning votes, and especially being active in the chat room trying to convince other players of your innocence, while actively trying to get another player lynched. On a side note, Sigurd probably realises Kommodus is a clever villager, and wants him out of this game so he does not participate so much in the game.

Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hehe, I've been known to have a way of acting guilty even when I'm innocent - especially when I'm innocent, in fact. When I start acting innocent is when you really have to watch out.

Out of curiosity, what's your reason to vote for me? Because I'd make a good choice as a mafia grunt for the Godfather?

It's an excellent reason at this stage in the game.

Also, I think Sigurd making such a bold accusation is a bit far out there for mafia.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'd say that's actually the most convincing thing so far. The theories posted so far have been quite weak. Not that surprising really so early in the game.

How so? The detective messages the game host. People private message for many reasons. Mods can see who people are investigating, if you or I had been watching the pm list we'd have seen "Sigurd Fafnesbane--Replying private message Kommodus" and would likely have thought they were mafia in cahoots, thus backfiring on Kommodus. If suspicion fell on Sigurd for being seen private messaging he would say "I was replying to Kommodus" post the pm, and perhaps accuse Kommodus of setting him up as he did here.

Not in the slightest bit convincing. I can see how Sigurd would take it that way...though...one does have to wonder if this was a plot to get Kommodus out of the game. Lynching him is the only way to off him without confirming his innocence. Hmm. I'm not sure it would be worth the loss of a mafioso and dropping down to 1 kill.

[Kommodus]

one does have to wonder if this was a plot to get Kommodus out of the game. Lynching him is the only way to off him without confirming his innocence.

Even I doubt it was a plot to get me out of the game. More likely, as I said, a big misunderstanding, due more to the fortuitous timing of my PM to Sigurd than anything else. Somewhere there's a Godfather and two mafiosi laughing their heads off, scarcely able to believe their good fortune.

Of course, if I turn out to be wrong and Sigurd is guilty, well, someone can hand me the dunce cap. For then I'll have thoroughly been "had."

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Even I doubt it was a plot to get me out of the game. More likely, as I said, a big misunderstanding, due more to the fortuitous timing of my PM to Sigurd than anything else. Somewhere there's a Godfather and two mafiosi laughing their heads off, scarcely able to believe their good fortune.

Of course, if I turn out to be wrong and Sigurd is guilty, well, someone can hand me the dunce cap. For then I'll have thoroughly been "had."

Yeah, he's more a candidate for investigation than for lynch.

[Don Corleone]

Crazy thing about this game.... the more you learn, the more you learn how much you have to learn. This is true about how to play the game, and it's true about the details of the particular game. It's tough, because no matter what event occurs, you can take it either way:

I accused Peasant Phil. Now, if he hadn't responded at all, that would have been suspicious. If he had responded vehemently, that would have been suspicious. But he responded reasonably, and frankly, that too is suspicious. And God knows, I've aroused more suspicions than just about anyone, and rightfully so. At this point, I'm actually a little suspicious of anyone that trusts me, as there's only one way they know they could.

Anyway, in the absence of any new evidence, I'm sticking by my initial call, but it is good to know Peasant Phil won't be gunning for me behind the scenes in all subsequent games.

With regards to the PM log checking business, can't we call a moratorium on that? It seems to create more hassles then it solves, and as moderators get more information than the average player, doesn't that give them an unfair advantage?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

With regards to the PM log checking business, can't we call a moratorium on that? It seems to create more hassles then it solves, and as moderators get more information than the average player, doesn't that give them an unfair advantage?

We went by email and IM in the last mafia game. edit:but apparently you got destro that way? Lame...he must have been careless.

BTW Sigurd, why did you think Kommodus was the Godfather specifically? Instead of just a mafioso.


also edit:

Somewhere a Godfather is laughing his/her @ss off.

Somehow I feel that must be true.

This is the kind of thing I meant when I said Kommodus' defence didn't sound innocent. An innocent person would know that the Godfather was laughing, they wouldn't "somehow feel it was true".

[Myrddraal]

Umm Sasaki I was agreeing with you...

I agree, the manner of Kommodus' response is probably the most suspicious thing about him.