The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Husar]

BUT who comes online for five minutes at that time in the morning just to read the mafia thread?

I would.

On point 1), the mafia want to get the absolutely innocent lynched. Or, they want to whack them next round. Innocent people drag the mafia's odds down, as it gives them a smaller field of guilty looking folks to hide among. Guilty looking people (but innocent) though muddy the waters, allowing them to hide better.

Another good point to keep my vote for now, though many think you are suspicious, almost all changed their vote back and you seem to survive again, in case you really are mafia, this is very bad.

Husar and Xiahou are acting reasonably.

You're basically defending your worst enemies, maybe hoping to finally make friends? The understanding you show to your enemies is the only consistent line I noticed in your posting so far.

I want to break a spear for Sasaki here, I might be way off but my stomach tells me he is not necessarily guilty in this game, I grew some antipathy against him before which is one of the worst things one can do right next to sympathy. I now get the feeling that peoples' antipathy is triggered every time Sasaki makes a longer post though I do not see exactly why he should post that much anymore if it only makes him suspicious anyway, I actually believe him there, for now.

Whatever. I suspect one of you will be the detective and Mafia will find out soon!! Ha ha. Not really. I'm no fan of the Mafia, but I suspect Sasaki.

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

I'm sorry Kommodos. Come join my game.

He's either playing U-Boot or he may even be guilty, another one ignored by many.

[Death Match]

It seems obvious to me that you people are actually thinking of blaming people who are innocent now. As you see, Kommodos was not guilty after all. I haven't been reading carefully here, but I see that Sasaki Kojiro could be guilty as he is good at making people go the wrong direction. The funny thing is, Myrrdraal and Sasaki are trying to tell us that each other is the guilty one. Why?

This is a common, yet still sneaky, trick used by Mafiosi to convince us that they are both innocent. Yet, they still find way of avoiding the other's death by later merely suggesting that someone else maybe the mafioso!

Tell me, how suspicious do I look? Yet, I could hold some secret. But nobody suspects. Well, rest be informed, the only way to win against the brutal enemy, Mafia, is to No-Lynch for the moment.

Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: No-Lynch

[Husar]

It seems obvious to me that you people are actually thinking of blaming people who are innocent now. As you see, Kommodos was not guilty after all. I haven't been reading carefully here, but I see that Sasaki Kojiro could be guilty as he is good at making people go the wrong direction. The funny thing is, Myrrdraal and Sasaki are trying to tell us that each other is the guilty one. Why?

This is a common, yet still sneaky, trick used by Mafiosi to convince us that they are both innocent. Yet, they still find way of avoiding the other's death by later merely suggesting that someone else maybe the mafioso!

Tell me, how suspicious do I look? Yet, I could hold some secret. But nobody suspects. Well, rest be informed, the only way to win against the brutal enemy, Mafia, is to No-Lynch for the moment.

Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: No-Lynch

1. it's Kommodus, not Kommodos

2. saying Sasaki may be guilty because he is good at deception is about as good as saying Kommodus might be mafia because he was/is/may be good at finding them

3. Are you saying Sasaki and Myrddral might be both guilty but we better not vote for any of them?

4. do you have any explanation why we should not lynch except that you say so?

5. You're about the only one here who consistently tries to create a we vs. them attitude here while of course putting yourself into the we group, this could be a lame attempt at covering your mafia identity

Now I told you how suspicious you look.

[Silver Rusher]

*****Voting Closed*****

[Drisos]

*****Voting Closed*****

Crap. Sasaki is lynched instead. Well. Lynch Don Corleone or Crazed Rabbit next turn. Preferably Crazed Rabbit.

The mafia will probably return to the 'one-kill-each-round' strategy, to have us think Sasaki was mafia, so people won't vote off the ones he named as Mafia.

[Don Corleone]

You're basically defending your worst enemies, maybe hoping to finally make friends? The understanding you show to your enemies is the only consistent line I noticed in your posting so far.

I've written myself off for lost and I'm chalking this game up as a learning experience. BUT, one thing I have learned... always look to motive. I used you as an example of the way a regular townie (granted an overly suspicious one) would probably act. At best, they just wouldn't say anything about me at all. Launching a Perry Mason style defense, such as Sasaki has done for me, makes me ask why?

Don't forget, Sasaki is really taking a huge chance defending me. Let's say I get lynched and the mafia decide to employ the kill one person trick (and Sasaki, it didn't not work the first time, they just moved away from it)... the mafia could kill Sasaki any time they wanted to, just by pointing to his rabid defense of me and then noting that the killings stopped when I died. Poof, Sasaki is gone too.

The only way it would be safe for him to tread this path is if he knows for certain that the mafia won't kill just one person next round. There's only one way he could know that.

And I still go back to my original question of why? I admit, I played the game badly for the first few rounds, and it makes me look unrecoverably guilty (I suspect Xiahou is going to default to me as mafia every time we play now, I've made such an impression). BUT! Sasaki seems convinced of my innocence. Why?

[Husar]

BUT! Sasaki seems convinced of my innocence. Why?

Well, you both seem to say that the mafia like to hide in a forest of suspicious people and you are suspicious.
One might say now that if they hide in a forest, we should just chop down the forest and they either are left in the open or get chopped in the process.
This leads me back to RTWGuru who wants to stop the chopping without giving any reason except that he says so.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I honestly don't recall voting for you

You voted for me in the first round, immediately after I abstained. You want to prevent an abstention?

Voting someone ensures they respond. It has nothing to do with getting them lynched.

When I vote, it’s either because I think they’re a mafioso or I believe that the person with the most votes is innocent. Not because I want to see them respond. If I wanted that, I would abstain while posting my suspicions, as I did with you earlier. You then responded, I saw some errors in your reasoning so I grew more convinced that you were a mafioso and voted for you.

Also again: you say it's suspicious that I'm voting for the experienced players while you yourself vote me.

I’m well aware of that fact. But the thing here is I called you on it first.

EDIT:

Im not liking this, Sigurd / GHC alliance. It seems to me that you both defend each other rather subtlety. I believe there is some deeper stratagem going on between these two, since from the first round they have quietly hinted that they have been in contact with each other, and voted off each ones enemies like Sasaki this round.

Well, GeneralH hasn't been posting as much as last games, that's what got my attention. Plus, he would be one of my choices as a mafioso, a good enough player to not make any stupid mistakes. Plus a player that as his role as hoster, probably knows more about the mafia, and corresponding tactics, than he might make public.

For now, I'm not voting for anyone just yet - I'm waiting to see what GeneralH has to say.

I don't think I've been less active - if I have, chalk it up to the fact that this week was a particularly painful one in school. As for revealing mafia tactics, I just did, but Sasaki seems to disagree.

Finally, my alliance with Sigurd: Where did this one come from? Yes, he told me in the chat about Kommodus' PM, but we are both chat regs and Mafia comes up a lot in there. The fact that there were two kills this round places immediate suspicion on him, because he was the main attacker of Kommodus. But Sasaki seems even more suspicious.

[Cowhead418]

I'm going to Vote: RTWGuru. Why? He's made several suspicious posts and yet seems to keep a tone to these posts that makes him ignored by nearly everyone. Seriously, if you are even half-certain that either Sasaki or Myrd is mafia, then why would you want to not lynch? How exactly would that help the town? To me, this seems like a miscalculated mistake by you, and you are trying too hard to appear innocent by voting no lynch. I don't buy it, care to explain yourself?

[Drisos]

Vote off RTWGuru! Leave Sasaki alive!

Oh right... I'm dead.. well..

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Upon furthur analysis, Crazed Rabbit, GeneralHankerchief, and Don Corleone are the 3 mafiosos, with Crazed Rabbit being Godfather.


Myrddraal, Sigurd, and Seamus have all raised my suspicions but I can't link them together particularly...

I'll post my evidence soon but for now, Unvote:GeneralH, Vote:Don Corleone although I'm still ahead in votes 4:3 with half an hour left...

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