The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ok, you know what? Here's your argument. Let it be known that I actually *respond* to them, since it's clear that Sasaki won't respond to mine.

Ok, game starts and GH tries to get people to abstain:


And finds my calling him on this suspicious.

Uh, yeah. You voted for me with one of those ridiculous little one-line posts. Of course I'd find it suspicious.

GeneralH then starts to try and get clues from the mafia kills (the kind of clues that the mafia always plant) and his suspicion list points to (surprise) Myself, Divine Wind, and Ignoramus. Myrddraal agrees with him which is one of the reasons he's on my list. He also questions whether the CoP will be replaced, as if he is questioning whether it would be to the mafia's advantage to lynch Divine Wind now.

Sometimes the mafia plant clues and sometimes it's just genuine errors. Remember Godfather 1? It was pretty much all we had to go on at that point, so excuse me for furthering discussion.

Sigurd posts that he has reason to suspect Kommodus. Remember that it is in the mafia's best interest to lynch Kommodus rather than Kill him because if he's killed he's proved innocent and can still work against him.

Crazed Rabbit and Myrddraal immedietly question his claim (voting would be seen as suspicious). GeneralH is "convinced" by Sigurd in chat and votes Kommodus.

Yeah, I was convinced. Ask Sigurd, he told me about it in the chat.

Don, Crazed Rabbit, and GeneralHankerchief all jump on the Sasaki wagon

Originally I was suspicious of you but abstained. You then responded, suspiciously IMO, and I then voted for you.

They see a chance to lynch me and go for it. I answer all of their accusations but they quietly leave their vote on me and sit watching the thread doing nothing.

You know my feelings on this.

Satisfied?

[Don Corleone]

I find it really interesting Sasaki that you posted that one line and not the entire PM that I sent you, back when I thought Prole and Xiahou were mafia and Xiahou never responded. Could HE be your partner?

At the time I wrote it, you were the only person I didn't suspect. In fact, I never got suspicious of you until you started defending me so ardently. Unfortunately, as they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes, nice, but I think you forgot to unvote before that.

I did unvote.

I find it really interesting Sasaki that you posted that one line and not the entire PM that I sent you, back when I thought Prole and Xiahou were mafia and Xiahou never responded. Could HE be your partner?

At the time I wrote it, you were the only person I didn't suspect. In fact, I never got suspicious of you until you started defending me so ardently. Unfortunately, as they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

I posted the relevent part. Your suspicions of Prole and Xiahou were already mentioned in the thread and ignored.

Listen, you were suspected by the town. A prime candidate for a mafia lynching. Before re-reading and noticing the links between you and several other people I thought you were merely noobish. Of course I stepped up to defend you, no offense meant but your ignorance of past games and mafia in general is really showing here Don. Unless it's an act.

Here you go if you want:

I followed up on my hunch about Prole & Xiahou. If we're allowed to by the rules, I'd like to discuss an experiment I've performed.

Doesn't say anything about it in the rules, so it must be allowed. Would be interested to hear.

Sasaki

Well, as I said, I noticed Prole & Xiahou in lock-step on that crazy story about Lemur's old enemies. Turned out to be a red herring... or did it? I PM'd each of them and told them I knew they were guilty and if they left me alive until the end, I'd be a 'runaway jury', defending them. Prole wrote back and laughed and said she was glad I'd started playing, but no, my imagination had gotten the better of me. (To be truthful, it was mostly in jest, I was more interested in their reaction then the proposal itself). I actually doubt Prole is really involved.

Xiahou on the other hand has remained strangely silent. He hasn't said a word.


If I get contract killed, Xiahou and #7 definitely have blood on their hands.

Interesting. If I was mafia I'd pop you this turn just because you'd be convinced it was Xiahou and #7 dude :p

You have to watch out for coincidence. You have to remember that if Xiahou is innocent, there is still a chance you'll be killed.

Sasaki

Kinda goes without saying that I'm pretty damned sure that you're not mafia. I mean, you certainly could be, don't get me wrong. But I just get a feel from the way you've played what little we've had to go on so far. Sure, this could be my introduction into the "never trust Sasaki" club, but there's more expeditious ways to do what you'd be trying to do.

By the way, if I'm overly posting or stirring up too much mud to be helpful, let me know. I don't think anybody's ever accused me of being too shy (I think the Backroom serves as proof there) but I can take polite criticism.

No worries m8, we need mud stirred up. The only thing we have to watch out for is being to certain in the early stages of the game. Quite often what seems like proof later turns out to have been unfounded.

Sasaki

[Don Corleone]

Well, Sasaki, I must not be all that off the mark if you feel a need to get insulting now. Yes, you're right, I didn't get the greatest start. And no, I haven't played 7 or 8 times over the past 6 months like the rest of you.

That doesn't mean I'm retarded or anything. I explained my reasoning. You sort of counter it, and then get into disparaging me. Interesting.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, Sasaki, I must not be all that off the mark if you feel a need to get insulting now. Yes, you're right, I didn't get the greatest start. And no, I haven't played 7 or 8 times over the past 6 months like the rest of you.

That doesn't mean I'm retarded or anything. I explained my reasoning. You sort of counter it, and then get into disparaging me. Interesting.

It wasn't meant as an insult. Should I have been pc and said "your lack of knowledge of previous games" instead?

When your arguments would not be used by anyone who has played the game a number of times what am I supposed to say? It's like I claim Communism is the solution to all the worlds problems and you say "well, historically, the ussr..." and I say: "don't call me retarded just because I haven't read any history books! I still believe it's true!".

[Csargo]

You complain that my post was ridiculous. Explain why. Rampant abstention hurts the town, this is fact. Why is one line a problem? There are dozens of one line posts. I believe I've made some of the longest posts in this thread to date. I was responding to your post which was much shorter.

Sasaki could you explain to me why Abstention hurts the town I'm confused?

Oh yeah that last post was hilarious.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki could you explain to me why Abstention hurts the town I'm confused?

Oh yeah that last post was hilarious.

Because there's no discussion and all that happens is townies die. The detective has a 1/14 chance of finding a mafioso first round. 2nd round he has 1/13. If he just randomly guesses by the time he finds a mafioso half the town will be dead. It's no good at all, and GeneralH knows this.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok, you know what? Here's your argument. Let it be known that I actually *respond* to them, since it's clear that Sasaki won't respond to mine.

Already responded, it's interesting you like to pretend I didn't.

Uh, yeah. You voted for me with one of those ridiculous little one-line posts. Of course I'd find it suspicious.

Vote:GeneralHankerchief

For starting what could be another cycle of "I abstain, because there isn't enough information to go on, because everyone else abstained, because there isn't enough information to go on, because..."

Voting someone to start discussion is standard practice. Even if you don't choose to do it personally it's not suspicious. Day 1 is all about discussion.

You complain that my post was ridiculous. Explain why. Rampant abstention hurts the town, this is fact. Why is one line a problem? There are dozens of one line posts. I believe I've made some of the longest posts in this thread to date. I was responding to your post which was much shorter.

Sometimes the mafia plant clues and sometimes it's just genuine errors. Remember Godfather 1? It was pretty much all we had to go on at that point, so excuse me for furthering discussion.

It sends discussion in the wrong direction. Odds are greatly in favor of it being a mafia plant or just meaningless. The mafia want you to waste time discussing it. There is plenty of precedent for this.

Yeah, I was convinced. Ask Sigurd, he told me about it in the chat.

How could something so weak convince you?

Originally I was suspicious of you but abstained. You then responded, suspiciously IMO, and I then voted for you.

I'm sorry, but this makes you look more guilty. Mafia often worry about being seen as bandwagoning and will say they find someone suspicious and then vote them in a later post.

You know my feelings on this.

To be fair it could be coincidence that you didn't respond. I saw Don sitting there not responding as well which made it more interesting.

Satisfied?

Oh, entirely. I can see why you avoided responding to my post if this was all you had to offer. Myrddraal makes a much better case for his innocence.

[Ignoramus]

This is becoming increasingly difficult to find suspicious people. I am rapidly getting confused. I will post when I have done some research.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is becoming increasingly difficult to find suspicious people. I am rapidly getting confused. I will post when I have done some research.

You said this before. How can you not find anyone suspicious yet?