The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Xiahou]

Xiahou: there's been only one time of us voting and then unvoting for each other, and that was because Don used a random voting thing, which got him votes from other people who he didn't select.

Even with the vote exchange withstanding, Don is most likely mafia. He sent the PM as a clear attempt to gain a defender in lynch votes and when that didn't pan out he's now using the PM to frame up one of his main accusers(me).

edit: I suppose, following the PM saga, that Proletariat can't be entirely ruled out either...

[Death Match]

Hello everybody! I like to tell you NOT to vote for Don Corleone! It is absurd thinking that he is guilty! I really have nobody to suspect so:

Vote: No-Lynch

[Ignoramus]

You really are asking to be lynched aren't you?

[Csargo]

Hello everybody! I like to tell you NOT to vote for Don Corleone! It is absurd thinking that he is guilty! I really have nobody to suspect so:

Vote: No-Lynch

The Mafia kills haven't been posted yet

That's all I'm saying.

[Ignoramus]

"...plus time for Silver to log on, check his PMs, and rewrite the kills."

This is what GH said after the roles had been given out, but before the game actually started. I find this suspicious, especially the "rewrite the kills".

[GeneralHankerchief]

"...plus time for Silver to log on, check his PMs, and rewrite the kills."

This is what GH said after the roles had been given out, but before the game actually started. I find this suspicious, especially the "rewrite the kills".

That was based on Silver's new rule that the kills wouldn't appear exactly as he received them.

[Don Corleone]

Actually, Xiahou, I sent that PM to you and Prole just to see what sort of reaction I would get. I did find your 'no answer' sort of odd, so when I believed Sasaki was innocent, I mentioned it to him. BUT, I had already changed my mind about you and didn't think you were mafia a while ago. The reason the PM I sent to you and Prole came up again was because Sasaki brought it up.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure Sasaki was mafia. I'm 95% confident. But I'll tell you what. If the mafia kill two of us tonight, I'll vote myself. (Edit: Never mind, that's a bogus offer. If I am mafia, I'll just convince my coworker to only make one kill). Is there anything I can do, or should we just lynch me to be safe at this point? If we do, we're going to lose 3 innocent people, as we've wasted a townie (me) and another game turn (2 more mafia kills).

As for who the other mafia might be, I haven't a clue. I have several suspicions. What's more, we're focusing on people that have posted, but here we are, 1/3 of the way into the game, and there's about 5 or 6 people that haven't posted, and 4 more that haven't posted anything substantive.

It's a pretty easy day for the mafia if they don't have to say anything until they're one of 6 people left in the game, don't you think?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Now that we have a few rounds of voting, its time to begin the trends analysis that I was using last time.

Inactive Voters [1 "active" vote or fewer in 4 rounds (with runoff)]:

Destroyer = No Vote, No Vote, No Vote, No Vote (likely suicide?)
Dutch Guy = Abstain, Drisos, No Vote, Abstain
Evil Maniac = No Vote, No Vote, Abstain, Abstain
Masy = Abstain, Drisos, No Vote, No Vote
Myrdraal** = Abstain, No Vote, Kommodus, Abstain
Peasant Phil= Gen. Hanky, Abstain, Abstain, No Vote
Proletariat = Abstain, No Vote, Husar, No Vote
Sigurd = Abstain, Abstain, Kommodus, No Vote*

* attempted to vote Don Corleone in round #4
** Active poster throughout

Most of these folks have been posting in a fairly limited fashion as well. Based on one game of experience (I know, I know...) this style is reasonably normal for Proletariat, Peasant Phil, & Evil Maniac.

Half of our living players have failed to register more than 1 "active" vote! Meanwhile, DonC/Sasaki/Hanky are creating enough bandwidth noise with their dispute that any attempt to bring in the lurkers might fail for lack of space.

I'm gonna start combing through the rounds of votes and comments looking for patterns -- probably skip the runoff though, as it is too limited to shine lots of light on anything.

I would hope to get EVERYONE more active in the discussion.


Edited: Removed Cowhead, who had voted in R3.

[Proletariat]

edit: I suppose, following the PM saga, that Proletariat can't be entirely ruled out either...

Huh? I post on a lark about Lemur's past in these games, you agree and piggyback my post, Don therefore lumps us together as mafioso and somehow I get implied by you as well?

Do you think that I contacted Don privately, said something like, 'I'm gonna go drop a line about Lemur that's a total crock, when Xiahou takes the obvious bait and agrees in the thread, you Don, come riding through accusing Xman and me of being in the mafia! mwahahaha, perfect crime, those fools will never know'

[Husar]

This is almost as good as a talkshow.

[Myrddraal]

This is almost as good as a talkshow.

edited to correct smiley

[Crazed Rabbit]

Eh, I'm most definately not the detective. If we have any doctors they can feel free to protect me, in case the mafia believes Sigurd and tries to off me.

Sigurd, You've got to have some more explaination for Ignoramous. How do we know you aren't just leading us around?

CR
PS I do heartily agree with Sigurd on the need to keep these games fun and not deadly serious.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

4 Points for consideration:

A. Possible Detective Action: Assuming you've cleared DW, PM him your results ( I noted no rule prohibition of this). Since he is unlynchable, he can serve as a deposit point for the investigations. And, if more than one detective contacts him, a target list can be developed.

B. All of our contentious votes, thus far, have involved Don C. There is no specific pattern of vengeance murders regarding votes for or against him, but I think we will need to explore these votes (R1, R2) as the field narrows.

C. Prole': He's been mentioned a time or two, but you are the only one to vote for Husar. What's your thought here?

D. Sigurd is coming over as the voice of reason regarding re-toning the discussion to produce evidence (and taking it less personally). In the CN game, he and cowhead were rewarding for beginning to steer the discussion in the correct direction with quick lynchings. On what basis do the Sigurd detractors think he's hinky? Explain a bit more please.

Point of Personal Privilege:

-- I am not a mafiosi. My reticence over the weekend was due to my attendance at the exemplificiation of the 4th degree, KofC, here in the Old Dominion. Feel free to Google it if you wish. We brought in a large class of 200+ new Sir Kinghts! I am back now, and happily analyzing votes/discussion. Also, since mafiosi were picked this time, and not at random, what Godfather in their correct senses would choose a guy who loves to analyze track records and publish them as one of his made men? Too many chances for a slip up.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

RIP Guru we hardly knew ye.

RTWguru:

Newbie to .org; very active poster in discussions on this thread. Voted for Don Corleone in R1, Did not vote in the runoff, Voted for Kommodus in R2, and lodged the only "No Lynch" vote of the entire game immediately prior to his own terminal lead poisoning.

p.s. Who's the fan of XXX who went for the scalding coffee thing?

[Husar]

4 Points for consideration:

A. Possible Detective Action: Assuming you've cleared DW, PM him your results ( I noted no rule prohibition of this). Since he is unlynchable, he can serve as a deposit point for the investigations. And, if more than one detective contacts him, a target list can be developed.

Despite Silver saying that this is forbidden, if Divine Wind is the Godfather, this is a pretty stupid thing to do and gives me the idea that you may be a mafioso who had exactly this in mind.

B. All of our contentious votes, thus far, have involved Don C. There is no specific pattern of vengeance murders regarding votes for or against him, but I think we will need to explore these votes (R1, R2) as the field narrows.

I think now that Don C is not guilty because I do not believe he would use his wife as a cheap excuse to get out of the affair, if that isn't enough for anyone, he mentioned this problem in other game threads as well.

C. Prole': He's been mentioned a time or two, but you are the only one to vote for Husar. What's your thought here?

Yes, voting for such an innocent cute guy as me...
Well, I have neither anything against nor for Prole but I think her decision was also forged in the chat, details shall never be revealed.

Crazed Rabbit our detective has probably investigated me already and found me innocent.
Sasaki a Mafioso got lynched last round, while his companion Seamus Fermanagh… is still alive.
Both were chosen by our Godfather … Ignoramus.
Vote Ignoramus as I surely will get wiped out this round.

Let's try to apply some logic guesses here:
1. Sasaki might be mafia + one kill this round
2. Sigurd may be mafia + my reply to the first quote in this post
3. you were not wiped out last round, instead someone remotely suspicious got killed
4. Crazed Rabbit might be detective but denies any knowledge

Vote: Ignoramus for now.

[Dutch_guy]

Eh, I'm most definately not the detective. If we have any doctors they can feel free to protect me, in case the mafia believes Sigurd and tries to off me.

Sigurd, You've got to have some more explaination for Ignoramous. How do we know you aren't just leading us around?

CR
PS I do heartily agree with Sigurd on the need to keep these games fun and not deadly serious.

Well, there is no doctor.

Personally Sigurd, I'd like to know why you think Ignoramus is so guilty. His posting behavior is exactly the same as in other games, and he hasn't made any posts which contain a sufficient amount of data needed to find someone guilty in my opinion.

PS: Let me be the third one to agree, these games are meant to be fun as well as challenging.

PPS: just wanted to edit this message, I'm off to bed now, so I'll be back and ready tomorrow (afternoon)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is almost as good as a talkshow.

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Ignoramus has just posted a couple times to say "hmm no one suspicious". I do disagree with your assessment of Crazed as detective and me as mafioso though sigurd.

[Xiahou]

Huh? I post on a lark about Lemur's past in these games, you agree and piggyback my post, Don therefore lumps us together as mafioso and somehow I get implied by you as well?

Do you think that I contacted Don privately, said something like, 'I'm gonna go drop a line about Lemur that's a total crock, when Xiahou takes the obvious bait and agrees in the thread, you Don, come riding through accusing Xman and me of being in the mafia! mwahahaha, perfect crime, those fools will never know'

No, I was talking about the PM Don sent us both. When I was talking about it's implications to his apparent guilt it occurred to me that I had to consider at least the remote possibility that you were in on it with him. To do otherwise would have been remiss of me in my role as one of the paranoid townsfolk.

Ignoramus, OTOH, fits in very nicely with your earlier theory (that I also subscribe to) that Lemur's death was a revenge killing of sorts. We suspected DivineWind or Ignoramus. Lemur's words from beyond seemed to clearly point to Ignoramus- and now these latest accusations also point to Ignoramus.

In light of this, I'm willing to put Don on the back burner for now to lynch Ignoramus. If Ignoramus truly is the godfather, Don's guilt or innocence will be irrelevant.

[Silver Rusher]

Day breaks in the Gameroom. All is quiet.

theRTWGuru was determined not to leave his house aside from executions. He had made this choice ever since the first two kills, and had been faithful to this rule ever since. There was only one problem:

He ran out of toilet paper.

TRG was debating on whether to break this infraction just the one time, up until he had to actually go and use a substitute material. Then, it was no contest. Cursing to himself, he got into his car and drove to the store.

Upon arriving home, he noticed a new addition to his street: A van, with the words “Vincenzo’s Guttering” printed on the side, was parked near his house. Where had he seen this van before…?

With a slightly increased air of caution, TRG got out of his car and walked up to the door of his house, turning the handle. When opening it, the back of his mind noticed that it was slightly harder to open than usual. Upon entering the foyer, TRG had about a split second to notice that an elaborate rigging system had been set up.

Then, the rigging system made its purpose known. A pot with a liter’s worth of hot coffee flew directly at him, breaking the glass and scalding TRG in many places. He barely had time to react before the mafioso charged down the stairs, firing away with his tommy gun.

Upwards of 25 bullets were placed in theRTWguru’s person before the mafioso finally stopped. As he left, he flipped a silver coin onto the corpse beside him.

Chief of Police Divine Wind walked out of the Get Yer 'orses Stable towards the expectant crowd later that morning, leading 4 horses behind him.

"These are the finest stallions of all the land." DW began. "Whoever is chosen responsible for TRG's death will have his arms tied to the horses and his legs tied to this here tree. The horses will then be wipped. Not a good way to go. Get voting."

Status List

Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru

Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro

Still alive:
Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Csar
GeneralHankerchief
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Seamus Fernanagh
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Xiahou
Peasant Phill
Cowhead418
Dutch_guy
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Destroyer of Hope
Divine Wind
Myrddraal