The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Heh, figures that his fellow mafia would attempt to let him off the hook. Hopefully the town won't buy it, and will lynch you next round, Myrddraal.

[Death Match]

voice from the dead....

I was innocent as you see, but why would I have acted suspicious on purpose?

Point to really think about

ps. I was only not posting because of my end of year exams...

[Myrddraal]

You really are lashing out wildly with your accusations Sasaki. I wish you'd add some meat to your posts.

[Proletariat]

It's a little curious how involved he remains in this game, where I remember I think two others I've been in where Sasaki ignored the on-going game after dieing.

[Drisos]

I'd like to repeat... don't wait too long lynching suspicious charactere or they just might be slipping through.

Anyway. I didn't want to say this before to let the discussion continue; I am 99% sure Sasaki Kojiro was NOT mafia. And you know I'm innocent as the kills didn't stop, so why would I be lying? I am not going to tell you how I know Sasaki was innocent, perhaps later.

Most of the people he called suspicious are still alive. That needs to chance. Lynch the ones that are not killed.

[Myrddraal]

That would involve lynching about half the remaining living players. Sasaki seems to have accused anyone who questioned his logic along the line.

I didn't vote for Sasaki, because I really was not convinced at the time that he was mafia, but since then he's really been hard at work. When he posts a long bit of reasoning, he twists history beyond recognision, and when he posts a one liner, everyone jumps to follow him. God help this town if he really was mafia.

@Drisos, what do you think of Don C now? I know that if I dare to suggest his name again I'll be accused by Sasaki of going for the easy lynch, but I haven't forgotten the PM you recieved, and you've been proven innocent.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

That would involve lynching about half the remaining living players. Sasaki seems to have accused anyone who questioned his logic along the line.

I didn't vote for Sasaki, because I really was not convinced at the time that he was mafia, but since then he's really been hard at work. When he posts a long bit of reasoning, he twists history beyond recognision, and when he posts a one liner, everyone jumps to follow him. God help this town if he really was mafia.

@Drisos, what do you think of Don C now? I know that if I dare to suggest his name again I'll be accused by Sasaki of going for the easy lynch, but I haven't forgotten the PM you recieved, and you've been proven innocent.

Myrdraal:

you have lodged exactly one active vote this entire game, joining the Day #2 plurality (8 votes) for Kommodus' lynching. Kommodus, along with Drisos were found innocent ex post facto by reason of the continuance of double mafia killings. Of the three opportunities out of five where you lodged a vote, two were abstentions -- hardly a decisive record. So the only lynching vote you made was made against one of two players whom we can confirm (now ) to have been innocent.

You post frequently, and argue with Sasaki's logic, yet you offer no alternative explanations of what is happening. You provide no direction for pressure or investigation save a return to the targets of earlier rounds, rounds in which you did not vote for that target when presented with the opportunity.

I am, and I think understandably, troubled by an active poster who refuses to take a stance in our voting. Whose abstentions do NOT prevent him from arguing suspicions and accusations. Reenk annoyed me in CN by abstaining almost all the time, but at least he didn't spend time hanging target markers on others while doing so.

What strategy are you playing at Myrdraal? So far, I am reading posts by someone stirring up bandwagons or trying to run them in certain directions without leaving a track record her/himself.....

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You really are lashing out wildly with your accusations Sasaki. I wish you'd add some meat to your posts.

I've already said what I had to say, no need to reiterate, just pointing out that you were trying to let Sigurd off the hook.


Pushing the bandwagon without voting myself is something I did several times in Godfather one. You don't put yourself out there too much, but give other people the oppurtunity to agree with your logic and vote for the person.

[Divine Wind]

Sorry I havent taked part in any of the discussion for the last few days, my internet went kaput. I'll have a brief read through later on this evening if I get a moment.

[Kommodus]

Somewhere deep inside a secret lair, a Mafioso was relaxing after a long day of deception and murderous scheming. He was lounging in a comfortable recliner, his feet resting on an ottoman in front of him while he watched television. The room was dark except for the flickering light coming from the screen.

Creeeeaaak…

The Mafioso started, craning his neck behind him to look at the door that had just moved inexplicably. That’s odd, he thought, I was sure I closed it. Nevertheless it was hanging open by a few inches. He got up out of the chair and shut the door again, making sure it was latched securely. He then went back and sank into the chair, propping his feet up and taking a sip from his drink. Drifting off to sleep, his eyes were just beginning to close…

Suddenly, a terrible voice filled the room. “Doom is upon you!” it said.

The Mafioso’s eyes shot open, and what he saw filled him with terror. Before him stood the ghastly spectre of Kommodus, looking every bit like a rotting corpse. His clothes hung off him in tatters, revealing that much of his flesh had been eaten away by fish and by decay. About half his face was gone, leaving a grinning skull and hollow eye-sockets. A skeletal arm was pointed straight at the Mafioso.

“The dead demand justice!” pronounced the apparition in a guttural voice. “Their blood cries out against you! Abandon hope, for soon you who have dealt death to so many will also feel its icy black hand in turn!”

As it spoke, the phantom was slowly advancing upon the hapless Mafioso, who shrank back, quivering, into the chair. “Pl… please… please don’t…” he tried to say.

“Silence!” screamed the ghost of Kommodus. “Your judgment has come, and the day of wrath will be swift and terrible! There can be no escape, for your guilt smothers your rotting soul like a burial shroud!”

By now the spectre’s face was inches away from the terrified Mafioso. In a lowered voice, it said, “Prepare for the en-”

At that moment, Kommodus’ lower jaw broke off, fell to the ground, and rolled under the Mafioso’s chair.

“Aw, dai’it!” he tried to curse. Dropping to his knees, he began fumbling around underneath the chair, searching for the missing body part. Recovering it, he turned around, rose to his feet, and began affixing it back to the rest of his face, grumbling as he did so.

“I knew it was a bad idea to go with the rotting corpse form,” he sputtered. “They all said it would be cool; that I’d get a great reaction. Some reaction, indeed… that’s the last time I listen to…”

The Mafioso was still terrified, but now his terror was mixed with confusion and something approaching amusement. Suddenly the sound of laughter was heard coming from the once-again-open doorway. Both Kommodus and the Mafioso turned around sharply.

Standing in the doorway were the ghostly forms of Lemur, Drisos, and Major Robert Dump. Their translucence gave their deceased status away, but otherwise they looked quite normal. Drisos was holding a ghostly camcorder.

“Did you get that, man?” snickered Lemur.

“Every minute of it, right here on tape,” shot back Drisos. “Kommodus’ First Haunting – destined to be a classic!”

“Ha ha ha, everybody’s a comedian,” said Kommodus sarcastically, shaking his head. He appeared to be slightly annoyed, but also found the stunt rather amusing. “I really had him going there; can’t I mess with the guy a little before he joins us?”

“Memories, man,” responded MRD. “It’s all about the memories. All the newbies get some kind of joke played on them; you should’ve been there for what they did to me.”

Kommodus shrugged. “Alright, alright, you’ve had your fun. Now hand over the tape.”

“Not a chance, dude,” responded Drisos, removing the small tape from the camcorder and placing it in his pocket. “This is serious blackmail material here.”

“I’m not joking,” warned Kommodus seriously. “Give me the tape, right now, or I’ll come and get it myself.”

“Oh sure, I’d like to see you try,” taunted Drisos. With that, Kommodus suddenly charged at the group. The other three ghosts turned and ran from the room, laughing hysterically as they went.

As he reached the door, Kommodus’ left lower leg suddenly broke off, and he stumbled to the ground. “Oh for crying out – you better run, guys!” he shouted, fumbling to reattach the leg. He got up and began limping down the hall. “This isn’t over! You won’t be laughing when I get my regular form back…” His voice faded out.

The Mafioso collapsed back into his chair in a dead faint.

[Silver Rusher]

Day breaks in the Gameroom. All is quiet.

Some time during the morning, Dutch_guy woke up and staggered out of bed. After the multiple deaths last night, he had decided to go to the Elephant and Cannon Pub and drink.

And drink, and drink, and drink.

Somehow he had managed to make it back home in one piece, but now he was feeling it with the massive hangover. Groaning, DG made his way to the shower and turned the water on hot.

After that nice, hot shower, DG went downstairs to make some breakfast. But right before he turned the corner, someone swung a large, black skillet right in his face.

DG was sent reeling, the headache back. He could do nothing but watch as the person showed himself. He was dressed expertly, with an evil grin on his face. There was no doubt that this figure was the mafioso.

The mafioso spoke, knowing that DG could do nothing. "You should really be careful when you take your showers. Once you're in there, you have no idea what else is going on. Somebody might even be entering your house."

DG groaned.

The mafioso frowned. "Well, you're not much conversation." He then took out a machine gun and poured bullets into his target. Dutch_guy was gone.

On his way out, the mafioso fired his gun at random objects before driving off in the van marked "Vincenzo's Guttering."

Over the night, Chief of Police Divine Wind had been trying to fix his car which had recently ran out of fuel. He opened up the front bonnet and tinkered confusedly with random parts, not having a clue what was going on. Eventually he managed to screw up his car beyond all repair, when all he really needed to do was go to the shop down the road and buy some diesel.

As such, DW was not in a mood to talk when it came to addressing the villagers. His only two words were "Get voting." He didn't even describe his upcoming execution method.

Status List

Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru
Dutch_guy

Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro
Ignoramus

PM:
Destroyer of Hope

Still alive:
Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Csar
GeneralHankerchief
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Seamus Fernanagh
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Crazed Rabbit
Xiahou
Peasant Phill
Cowhead418
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

[Silver Rusher]

****Double Post****

[Dutch_guy]

Why would someone want me dead, why ?!

[Husar]

Why would someone want me dead, why ?!

Because of the evidence this creates.

[Myrddraal]

Ok, so the accusation against me is that I haven't voted enough. It's true, and it's been due to indecision on my part. I'll try to correct this in my future voting, but I still don't really know who the hell I should be voting for. I don't want to resort to a random number generator!

Now Sasaki, I've answered everything else you've conjured up about me. I think you're just trying to repeatedly accuse me so that hopefully some of the accusations stick. Maybe I'm getting paranoid, but I'm tempted to think the mafia want me lynched. After all, killing me would prove me innocent, and lynched the townsfolk might stop listening/I might stop posting (don't count on it).

Sasaki has obviously enjoyed himself thinking up things to accuse me of. Seamus has made a valid point about my posting. I didn't really notice that I was following that tendency, and I'll try to correct it in future rounds. Otherwise, I can't prove anything I say, neither can anyone. If you think I'm a mafioso you'd better lynch me, but I'm not, and I hope we can find someone a little more suspicious than someone who's been trying to post a lot.

Now onto the case of Dutch_Guy. He's a different kill from the previous ones, he's an experienced player. Does that mean anything? Food for thought.


About 'letting Sigurd off the hook'. We can lynch him if people feel he needs to be punished for his misleading comments, but I'm not confident that he's a mafioso. If he is, he must have posted those comments expecting to die the first time... I don't think a mafioso would sacrifice himself to get one townie lynched. The second time around, Ignoramus confirmed that he did send the PM. So Sigurd didn't just invent the story, it's wierd, but genuine. If we lynch him, it would be simply to be absolutely sure that he can't do any damage if he is mafia. I think we can find better evidence than the evidence against him, but if not, then I'll happily vote for him. (of course, I'd say the same if I was mafia , but if people like Sasaki think that's going to stop me posting my thoughts, they're wrong)



PS, yes I did just post without voting. I hope all the contributions I've made to this thread have at least given others who's reasoning is better than mine some things to think about which they might have missed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok, so the accusation against me is that I haven't voted enough

Actually that's not it at all. You're under suspicion for making subtle misdirections such as this, usually when pushing the bandwagon on an innocent, behavior that is classic mafia. And as for answering all of my charges--you did, but you neglect to mention that you admitted several of them to be true. Don't make it sound like you refuted all of them.

I think Sigurd could be pretty certain of not being lynched after Kommodus was proved innocent. He's good enough to argue his way out of that one, and he had his fellow mafia to help him. All they had to do was start a wagon against someone else. During the round I was lynched I pointed out several mafiosos, so much so that they had to fall back to killing only one person a night to make me look guilty. Sigurd got an email from Ignoramus that he thought he could pass off as guilty sounding and went for the lynch hoping to distract the town from the accusations of the previous round. I'm not going to let him get away with that though.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ok, I needed that round off. Now that I can think straight, my suspicion alarm is screaming at Masy.

Why? Just check out these two posts last round:

Why? He's not done anything...or is that what you're getting at?

I have my suspicions of several characters, but I shall wait until the oppertune moment before I divulge my info.

I intended to message Sigurd. Masy and Dutch_Guy are the mafia, while GH is the Godfather.

Why? Masy and Dutch_Guy both defended me when Sigurd accused me of being the Godfather. They wouldn't know who the Godfather was when they were chosen, so they believed Sigurd was right, and were anxious to protect their "Godfather". GH is the real Godfather, and knowing that I was faking it, he abstained from voting.

Odd. Here you're getting overly defensive and casting about wild, unsubstantiated assertions to draw the heat offa yourself.

I am innocent, and killing me will just waste an opportunity to kill the mafia. Almost certainly I shall be killed by the mafia next turn, so you needn't vote for me.

Not that my vote is going to do any good, but anyway:

Vote: General Hankerchief

And here you're playing the old "I'm resigned to my fate, I don't really care" card.

Mafia? Perhaps. You've drawn the most suspicion to yourself this round,

Vote: Ignoramus

Mainly, I want to see this information you have. Are you playing the Detective? Or are you actually the Detective? Answers please.

Myrddraal has also aroused my suspicions, but I am convinced of Sasaki's guilt, so unless he is proven innocent, I will continue to believe that Myrddraal is a townie.

Vote: Abstain

For now.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Mainly, I want to see this information you have. Are you playing the Detective? Or are you actually the Detective? Answers please.

uh, just curious, why do you want to know if Masy is the detective? Why would you ask him to reveal himself? Pretty blatant Role-fishing.


Nice "non-sigurd" wagon attempt though.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It sounds like he's pretending to be the Detective to me. I just want to see if he's legit or means something else.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It sounds like he's pretending to be the Detective to me. I just want to see if he's legit or means something else.

But if he is legit then you just pointed him out to the mafia. Or you are the mafia and are trying to figure out if he is detective for more nefarious reasons. It's a pretty common mafia-tell.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Why would anyone who actually is the Detective post this:

I have my suspicions of several characters, but I shall wait until the oppertune moment before I divulge my info.

Unless Masy is a terrible Detective, there would be no way that he would post this if he actually was the Detective.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why would anyone who actually is the Detective post this:



Unless Masy is a terrible Detective, there would be no way that he would post this if he actually was the Detective.

You don't know which it is and you're trying to figure it out (because you want to kill him if he is detective :p )...that's why you asked him "are you actually the detective".

If he was detective he wouldn't have "suspicions" he would know for sure. Everyone has suspicions, that post doesn't rule him out for detective.


edit: I'll stop posting about this now before you get us entirely off the sigurd/myrddraal track.

[Myrddraal]

During the round I was lynched I pointed out several mafiosos, so much so that they had to fall back to killing only one person a night to make me look guilty.

Well that's one point of view... ... ... ... ... and "several" is the word. It was six in total I think. Just 3 times as many as there are actual mafia, you were doing the classic mafia attempt to save yourself by accusing others. You didn't post any accusations before anyone suspected you, very dodgy. A couple of rounds ago you defended Don C despite the earlier voting for him. People were voting for a reason, he's been acting very suspiciously.

Well I don't think Sigurd is suspicious. I won't vote for him just to clear my name, though it is tempting.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well that's one point of view... ... ... ... ... and "several" is the word. It was six in total I think. Just 3 times as many as there are actual mafia, you were doing the classic mafia attempt to save yourself by accusing others. You didn't post any accusations before anyone suspected you, very dodgy. A couple of rounds ago you defended Don C despite the earlier voting for him. People were voting for a reason, he's been acting very suspiciously.

Well I don't think Sigurd is suspicious. I won't vote for him just to clear my name, though it is tempting.

It's hard to narrow it down exactly at this stage in the game (there are 3 mafiosi btw not 2). Seamus for example had acted suspiciously up to that point but has since redeemed himself. The "classic mafia" attempt would be to accuse one person and attempt to get that person lynched. Anyway, if I was mafia, where were my comrades in arms? Surely it wouldn't have been that hard to send a couple votes in another direction, start a case against someone else, rather than let one of your own be lynched and drop you down to 1 kill per night. Answer me that.

I did post accusations before I was suspected, that's blatantly false. They weren't very strong up to that point because it was only round three.

Sasaki is now accusing everyone who posts

eh? One is a poor statistical sample. How about you actually address my point against GeneralH? That's a poor attempt to discredit me.

[Husar]

Sasaki is dead, we might want to try and find the other/real mafiosi instead of trying to make Sasaki admit his guilt, this won't win the game for us townsmen.
Sigurd could be lynched for those two accusations, Myrd might be lynched for being accused by Sasaki, so might GH.
And then we have some people like EMFM, BKS and others who have not been that active, though I did not count any posts. While some are discussing the guilt of a dead man, the real mafia may be laughing in the background.

[Crazed Rabbit]

So, anyone remember who Sasaki was accusing before and after he died? We're still going at one kill per night, the mafia is either trying harder to keep up the charade or Sasaki is mafia.

I recall Sasaki said he thought Seamus completely innocent, but offered no reasoning in support. Was he trying to protect his fellow mafioso? Or did he think he'd be presumed guilty and wanted to cast suspicion on innocent people? ALso, who defended him?

Of these, at least one, probably two, are mafiosos:

Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Csar
GeneralHankerchief
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Seamus Fernanagh
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Crazed Rabbit
Xiahou
Peasant Phill
Cowhead418
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

We could have killed both mafia henchmen, or just one. I'm thinking just one so far. Assuming Sasaki is mafia (likely), who would have picked him? He is an experience player, who else would the godfather have picked?

Masy is suspicious, as is Myrd and Seamus. We need more discussion though, and enough beating of the dead horse that is Sasaki.

EDIT:
Voting records on the round Sasaki got stoned. To death.
Tally:

Sasaki Kojiro - 4 votes (GeneralHankerchief, Csar, Crazed Rabbit, Don Corleone)
Abstain - 3 (Dutch_guy, Myrddraal, Evil_Maniac From Mars)
Don Corleone - 2 votes (Xiahou, Husar)
Sigurd Fafnesbane - 1 vote (Divine Wind)
GeneralHankerchief - 1 vote (Sasaki Kojiro)
theRTWGuru - 1 vote (Cowhead418)
No Lynch - 1 vote (theRTWGuru)
No vote - 7 (Masy, Big King Sanctaphrax, Proletariat, Seamus Fernanagh, Ignoramus, Peasant Phill, Destroyer of Hope)

CR

[Myrddraal]

The last thing Sasaki did before being lynched, was move to defend Don C, who I notice has gone off the radar...

@Sasaki,

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I agree about GH, so I'm hardly going to answer it. Though I think it's a bit harsh to accuse someone full out on such a weak point. It's simply been added to my suspiciousness list.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So, anyone remember who Sasaki was accusing before and after he died? We're still going at one kill per night, the mafia is either trying harder to keep up the charade or Sasaki is mafia.

This is why it is still important Husar. Consider this: if I was innocent and my accusations were correct (at least some of them) the mafia would be forced to kill only one, otherwise they would prove my innocence and give creedence to my suspicions. If I was guilty then there is something to learn from that also.

So let's hear why Crazed is so convinced I was guilty. That there was only one kill the night after doesn't prove anything (see Godfather pt 1). How do you answer my point about my supposed comrade mafiosos letting me be lynched, Crazed? Don C was a popular choice, surely they could have drummed up a couple votes on him. No mafioso will be lynched with only 4 votes this early in the game.

I recall Sasaki said he thought Seamus completely innocent, but offered no reasoning in support. Was he trying to protect his fellow mafioso? Or did he think he'd be presumed guilty and wanted to cast suspicion on innocent people? ALso, who defended him?

More falsehoods! I did offer reason. Sigurds frame attempt against Ignoramus attempted to frame Seamus as well. That's a good indication. Also, my original suspicion of him was due to activity that was markedly different from last game, but it turned out he was on vacation or something.

Of these, at least one, probably two, are mafiosos:

Three. Although I suppose we can't technically clear Ignoramus.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The last thing Sasaki did before being lynched, was move to defend Don C, who I notice has gone off the radar...

eh? Where was this. I do have to find him less suspicious now that you and Sigurd have moved up in my suspicions. I'd put you Sigurd and Crazed as the most likely right now, with GeneralH, don and maybe Xiahou being my next three.

Especially since this post is just another attempt at casting suspicion somewhere other than Sigurd. If Sigurd was mafia this is exactly what the mafia would do.

Anyway, if I was mafia, where were my comrades in arms? Surely it wouldn't have been that hard to send a couple votes in another direction, start a case against someone else, rather than let one of your own be lynched and drop you down to 1 kill per night. Answer me that.

Any answer to this Myrddraal?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ok, let me make one thing clear:

Sigurd is not in the mafia.

A couple of things can determine this. First of all, the whole Kommodus thing. If Sigurd was really out to get Kommodus, then why were there two kills immediately following K's lynching? Because of this, Kommodus was proven innocent.

If Sigurd was smart (which he is), he would only go to one kill per round. Because then Kommodus would be under suspicion, and if Sigurd wanted to take out a threat then he would make sure that K was not proven innocent.

Second, Sigurd has now made two large mistakes in the game regarding lynchings. If you remember in Gotta Have More Mafia, he played an almost perfect game. The fact that he his screwed up this badly this early in the game is testament to his innocence.

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Finally, Sasaki, I am convinced of your mafiosery and thus your going after of Rabbit, Sigurd, and Myrddraal pretty much confirms their innocence to me.