The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Crazed Rabbit]

Boo-yah, I knew it was Sasaki. And yeah, the reveal was a little...hasty GH. Ah well. We've got only 5 possible choices for mafia and don.

I'm going to vote:Seamus.

For the same reasons as Husar stated, and for his seemingly compelling, but obviously wrong, evaluation of me. Also, it could very well be that he set up the kills he outlined to frame me (and cowhead, who would seem more innocent if Seamus is guilty).

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wow, that's awesome. I'd have liked to see the town win this game, but I do have a soft spot in my heart for a mafia group who can lead the town around in circles.

I will make some points though, I guess it's my duty:

It could have been faked. I myself believed it was real until I read the part about myself being guilty, but you can't deny that it is possible.

If you want to confess to being in the mafia or being a detective, you may use quotes, but not screenshots, from any PMs I have sent you.

GH's pm does not mention this. If it were genuine it would.

Doesn't it strike you as a little odd that I as a mafioso (according to their story) managed to go after both detectives?

Does their behavior in the game match up to detective behavior?

Why did GH wait so late in the day? Why reveal at all? He only had a couple votes. He was waiting until he was sure the detective wasn't going to claim.

There would have been no need for them both to investigate me after I was dead. The game would have been over if I was Godfather, so one of them would have been enough to see if I was a mafia grunt and the other could investigate another townie. Not the kind of thing you mess up if you are actually detective, however this is just the kind of thing you mess up if you are faking a story.

Lastly, it would be a lame twist. Compared to mafia mastermind, throwing in an extra detective with watchman like capabilities would hardly qualify as a twist, and if you read the pm you'll notice the twist is identified as the two detectives being able to get a guilty on the godfather. That isn't a twist.

to GH, Myrddraal, and Sigurd. You've played an excellent game. I'm pleased with myself for identifying you, but obviously I need to work on my powers of persuasion

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Also, I suspect the twist has something to do with the words that have been bolded in some of the execution/kill scenes:

Prologue Vincenzo
Kill 1 Gameroom Quarry
Lynch 2 Gameroom Pond
Kill 3 Cessna Skyhawk
Kill 4 Get Yer 'orses Stable
Kill 5 Elephant and Cannon Pub

etc. I stopped keeping track because I couldn't figure out what they're supposed to mean. Latest was the African Honeybees. Myrddraal commented on these as being mafia distractions which is part of what makes me think they are significant.

Also, if you read back over the thread, those three have started almost all the bandwagons. Kommodus, Sasaki, Ignoramus, EMFM do you see a pattern? This should set warning sirens off in your head.

[Dutch_guy]

It could have been faked. I myself believed it was real until I read the part about myself being guilty, but you can't deny that it is possible.

Nice one, would be great if you had more evidence to prove it as a fake. It is indeed possible, and GeneralH is certainly a capable writer to do so, but it's up to the townies still left to make up their minds about it.

GH's pm does not mention this. If it were genuine it would.

Could be, but then again, this isn't your usual detective PM compared to the other games.

Doesn't it strike you as a little odd that I as a mafioso (according to their story) managed to go after both detectives?

Does their behavior in the game match up to detective behavior?

No, I find it to be more of a compliment to your mafioso skills that you were able to flush them out - for lack of a better term. But yes, it can be interpreted both ways.

Well, detective behavior isn't exactly generic. It's up to the Detectives themselves to figure that out I assume.

There would have been no need for them both to investigate me after I was dead. The game would have been over if I was Godfather, so one of them would have been enough to see if I was a mafia grunt and the other could investigate another townie. Not the kind of thing you mess up if you are actually detective, however this is just the kind of thing you mess up if you are faking a story.

This is a good point, and it does seem a stupid thing to do for such an experienced player like GeneralH. I'd like to hear him on that.

Lastly, it would be a lame twist. Compared to mafia mastermind, throwing in an extra detective with watchman like capabilities would hardly qualify as a twist, and if you read the pm you'll notice the twist is identified as the two detectives being able to get a guilty on the godfather. That isn't a twist.

This most certainly qualifies as a twist, because it's an event not discribed in the rules and is thus a special case, a twist if you will.

to GH, Myrddraal, and Sigurd. You've played an excellent game. I'm pleased with myself for identifying you, but obviously I need to work on my powers of persuasion

You need to work on getting your townie reputation back Sasaki, the mastermind in GF1 is still fresh in most players' mind. And this rather potent defence does remind me of a similar thing Lemur tried to pull off when Tiberius caught him - he failed.

Anyway, your post has raised some thought and I'd like to see the three named by you respond to the allegations.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't think it qualifies as a twist. A twist in movies for example, is when you think someone was a good guy the whole movie until the end where you discover they are the opposite of what you thought, and you say "Whoah!" in your best Keanu Reeves voice.

There's no "whoah" here. Nothing significant has changed. An extra detective? SHOCKING

This changes everything! Now that there are two detectives...well wait they only investigated 2 people per turn...so it's just like one detective...except they can identify the Godfather. Woo.

[Husar]

There would have been no need for them both to investigate me after I was dead. The game would have been over if I was Godfather, so one of them would have been enough to see if I was a mafia grunt and the other could investigate another townie.

This is indeed true and there is another thing that catched my attention:

-The twist is in this game, you and Myrddraal have a choice of how to investigate. You can choose to separately investigate people, which will bring you normal results, or you can investigate the same person together. If you choose to do this, I will tell you whether that person is the Godfather, who is ordinarily immune to Detective investigations. In addition, if you both investigate a Mafia Grunt, I will reveal that role to you too. However, I need PM confirmation from both of you should you decide to pursue this strategy. If one of you dies, than this power goes away.

GH and I want to investigate Sasaki this round. Is that allowed even if he's dead?

Yes, that is allowed.

Sasaki is guilty!

Before being executed, he killed UltraWar and Sir Moody. However, he is not the Godfather.

Now here it looks like Myrddraal was the only one who sent a PM, I might be way off in that GH left out his PM to Silver but it all makes me rather suspicious since after all he seems to vote for me completely random, as if there was nothing else to go by.
I would like to hear what Myrddraal has to say about this.
And how long until the voting will close?

[GeneralHankerchief]

There would have been no need for them both to investigate me after I was dead. The game would have been over if I was Godfather, so one of them would have been enough to see if I was a mafia grunt and the other could investigate another townie. Not the kind of thing you mess up if you are actually detective, however this is just the kind of thing you mess up if you are faking a story.

Yeah, now that I look back on it that was probably a mistake. But at that point Myrddraal and I were used to just doing cooperative investigations.

As far as quoting Myrddraal's original "Did Sasaki do it?" PM, I suspect Silver did it out of convenience. My guess is that Myrddraal sent the later PM and Silver just replied to both of us.

[Husar]

Myrddraal is in the chat, not replying. I wish he would at least say anything here or there. If he doesn't I am even more inclined to believe Sasaki.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wait, isn't Silver from Britain?

Call this number:
555-62342

I thought using "555" as a prefix for fictional numbers was only a North American thing. Any British orgahs care to confirm?

Also, why are their 5 digits on the end of it? Careless typo, GH?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_tele...numbering_plan

This makes it sound like the british have quite a different numbering system for phone numbers.

I could be mistaken of course. I don't even know if Silver is British. But GH is American, and this could be a fatal slip up.

[Husar]

Ok, I don't really get this number thing, but I also somehow doubt that Sasaki would pull this out of nowhere. As it looks right now, i think I'm dead anyway, leading with 3 votes. But that noone of those three gave any good reason whatsoever why they would want me dead makes me change my vote now.

Unvote: Seamus Fermanagh
Vote: General Hankerchief

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Well, now.

We are at a cusp point.

General Hankerchief is well aware that his reveal is a "make or break" point. He will either be believed or dis-believed and lynched.

If you believe him, you must also believe that BOTH he and Myrdraal were willing to investigate Sasaki after his death -- knowing full well that even if mafia (which Hanky at least believed in enough at that point to vote to lynch Sasaki) they would be using one of their precious "double investigates" to investigate someone who could not be the godfather [why not one to confirm Sasaki and the other to narrow the field?] and not to narrow the field and then in the very next round to knowingly Abstain/not vote during the round in which an "innocent" Ignoramus was lynched, without even an effort to nudge one of their still-under-suspicions (like me) forward, and then to do the reveal with only two votes against, and to have the reveal involve Myrdraal who hasn't posted at all in corroboration after nearly 7 hours.

Hanky's post did make me rethink about Rabbit (btw Husar, I don't recall ever thinking of him as the detective, though several folks suggested it early on, which he denied), but I am questioning the veracity of this whole reveal. Unlike the rest of you, I also know myself to be innocent, and therefor have doubts about anything that gives ammo for my lynching.

Absent Myrdraal's confirmation and discussion, I will Vote: General Hankerchief

I'm beginning to think we haven't hit any mafiosi so far. This lynching will be followed by one murder taking us from 11 voters to 9. If that lynching fails to nail a mafia, then the game is over.

This truly is the cusp point.

[Don Corleone]

Unvote: General Hankerchief
Vote: No-lynch.
Until we figure out what the heck is going on, we shouldn't be lynching anybody.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It was tied 3-3 between Husar and GH, Don. Divine Wind's vote didn't count.

With your unvote it's 3-2 Husar will be lynched.

[Don Corleone]

Unvote: No-lynch.
Vote: General Hank.

Let's keep the tie until Mydraal can confirm or deny.

Thank you Sasaki.

[Husar]

Let's keep the tie until Mydraal can confirm or deny.

You think he would deny if they are both mafia?

[Don Corleone]

They're not both mafia. Sasaki was one of them, of this I'm 98% certain, which frankly, has me looking a little oddly at you, that he chimed in to pull your bacon out of the fire. That being said, this is a bombshell, and one day for a vote-runoff between the 2 of you is just the thing...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Certainly, Myrdraal's confirmation would not stand as absolute proof of Hanky's status....either way. But it WOULD give us another point of reference to evaluate to determine the which we felt to be more accurate.

Tying the vote for a runoff and longer eval may be of use.

[Proletariat]

Yeah, now that I look back on it that was probably a mistake. But at that point Myrddraal and I were used to just doing cooperative investigations.

Riiight.



Unvote: Husar
Vote: GH

I really doubt they would've done something that silly.

[Silver Rusher]

*****Voting Closed*****

[Husar]

They're not both mafia. Sasaki was one of them, of this I'm 98% certain, which frankly, has me looking a little oddly at you, that he chimed in to pull your bacon out of the fire. That being said, this is a bombshell, and one day for a vote-runoff between the 2 of you is just the thing...

Oh well, I defended Sasaki as well and if he is a villager, he would want us to win, since i am innocent it would only be logical for him to jump in since we do not have many rounds left to find the mafiosi.
I won't stay out of here as well, even after getting lynched or killed or whatever. There may be an exception when I get lynched and noone of those who voted for me gives any good reason(how often did I mention that now?), then I would be kinda upset, yeah...

[Proletariat]

Silver, can we please extend voting?

I think that on a saturday, this late in the game, it would be alot better for the game over all if we could give a few of the other active players a chance to get a vote in.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wait a minute, this isn't right. Four people haven't even posted. Most people voted who for me did so on the basis of extending discussion. Can we at least have an extended deadline?

[Husar]

I agree with Prole and GH, many people like Sigurd are away over the weekend or invest their time elsewhere and thus cannot vote here, not even join in on the discussion, so maybe we should open the weekend vote until monday evening or so?

[Silver Rusher]

Evening in the Gameroom.

"Liar!"

"Murderer!"

"Coward!"

"Wobblebottom!"

These were among the curses being yelled at GeneralHankerchief as he stood on the diving board, blindfolded, waiting for the sharks with frickin' lasers to consume him. Not everyone thought GH was a mafioso, but that was certainly the general consensus. He was being closely guarded by Chief of Police Divine Wind.

DW began speaking to the villagers. "People of the Gameroom. GeneralHankerchief has told you today that he is a special detective, commissioned to investigated the murderous plague that has fallen upon our quite town. But these are lies! He is trying nothing other than to deceive you, and thanks to the will of the people and a few of the ghosts, we have seen through it. He is a liar, a murderer...."

Under the cover of the blindfold, GH shifted his eyes. This was the perfect opportunity for escape. During the distraction of DW's speech, he turned and quickly broke into a sprint. But DW was anticipating this. Before GH could get anywhere, DW sent his elbow flying straight into his cold head, knocking him back into the pool. He was cut to pieces by the lasers and the teeth of the sharks, simultaneously.

The celebrations of the villagers were cut short by a familiar booming voice from the skies...

"PEOPLE OF THE GAMEROOM!" Silver Rusher yelled down to the shocked townspeople, "YOU HAVE BEEN VOTING WELL. I AM GLAD TO SAY THAT I HAVE HAD TO KILL ONLY TWO OF YOU THIS ENTIRE TIME. NOW THAT SO FEW OF YOU ARE STILL ALIVE, NOBODY ELSE WILL DIE BY MY HANDS."

Tally:
GeneralHankerchief - 4 votes (Proletariat, Don Corleone, Seamus Fermanagh, Husar)
Husar - 2 votes (Masy, GeneralHankerchief)
Seamus Fermanagh - 1 vote (Crazed Rabbit)

Status List

Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru
Dutch_guy
Xiahou

Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro
Ignoramus
Evil_Maniac From Mars
GeneralHankerchief

PM:
Destroyer of Hope

Wrath of God:
Big King Sanctaphrax
Peasant Phill

Still alive:
Masy
Csar
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Seamus Fernanagh
Crazed Rabbit
Cowhead418
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

10 players will remain after the next set of murders, so there shall be no more Wrath of God. PM's please.

[Silver Rusher]

I agree with Prole and GH, many people like Sigurd are away over the weekend or invest their time elsewhere and thus cannot vote here, not even join in on the discussion, so maybe we should open the weekend vote until monday evening or so?

Sorry, I'm not going to change the 24 hour voting time just because something has happened. Nobody who didn't vote will be killed, don't worry.

[Husar]

Sorry, I'm not going to change the 24 hour voting time just because something has happened. Nobody who didn't vote will be killed, don't worry.

I was more worried about us killing the detective...

[Silver Rusher]

I was more worried about us killing the detective...

And is it my fault that 4 people voted for GH?

[Husar]

And is it my fault that 4 people voted for GH?

No, but if we had more discussion and more participation, we might have decided otherwise. And the lack of participation is not due to people refusing to participate than rather them being occupied over the weekend.

[Silver Rusher]

No, but if we had more discussion and more participation, we might have decided otherwise. And the lack of participation is not due to people refusing to participate than rather them being occupied over the weekend.

I never even implied that it was because people refuse to participate, and I would even disagree with that point, but the 24 hour voting period can only change by within about an hour. It isn't more flexible than that unless I absolutely can't possibly post the execution until later.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Don't worry Husar, we lynched the right person.

@GH: why did you reveal Myrddraal as the other detective? It would put him in unnecessary danger from being killed by the mafia. I'm sorry, but no real detective would do that.