The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Crazed Rabbit]

Could it? Fantastic! A chance to prove myself to you with words...

Sorry. Looking back on it, I do come off as a jerk.

CR

[Csargo]

Vote:CR there's nothing I could add to Kommodus's post. Voting for Masy with nothing else but he seems suspicious so there's my vote.

[Husar]

BTW getting me and Husar to fight for your vote is an odd tactic, and one which brings into question your basis for voting (again)

I gladly took that burden off of you and the rabbit responded as I expected...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Crap. Looks like I'm gonna get bandwagoned.

I have to go to chemistry lab soon, so don't expect replies after this for a while:

I swear I am not mafia nor godfather. Feel free to call me a liar anywhere on this forum if it turns out I am lying. But I am not the godfather. It appears I was a bit overeager as a villager these past few rounds, and that combined with suspicion generated by Seamus and Sasaki has made me look guilty.

Now that's a silly thing to say. If the camp including you, GH, Myrd, and Sigurd is correct, then two mafiosos have already been taken out, including Sasaki and Seamus. That would mean the only enemy remaining is the Godfather himself. We'd easily be able to spare a lynch on the possibility that you guys are the enemy.

I was more thinking he wanted to lynch people equally from any group of suspects, which would be bad, unless you assume there is only me, Myrd, Gh and sasaki and seamus as groups.

CR

[Husar]

I swear I am not mafia nor godfather. Feel free to call me a liar anywhere on this forum if it turns out I am lying. But I am not the godfather. It appears I was a bit overeager as a villager these past few rounds, and that combined with suspicion generated by Seamus and Sasaki has made me look guilty.

It would simply be too dangerous to spare you now simply because you completely joined sides with GH and Myrd who are highly suspicious, you are almost the only one of those alive who was not undecided.

[Sigurd]

Vote:Husar... because... well just because.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Way to keep going on the self-destructive strategy, guys. Go and lynch the only one who is really correct about Myrddraal's and my innocence.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Hello Prole!

AM I GLAD TO SEE YOU! I have been wondering around in a fog ever since I fell running away from that mob. I just don't feel right, you kno....

Prole?

What's wrong? You don't look so good.......

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Way to keep going on the self-destructive strategy, guys. Go and lynch the only one who is really correct about Myrddraal's and my innocence.

Oh go rest in peace already!


On second thought, since all the others are not deterred in death, let me add this.

You've read my thoughts on CR & Myrdraal, and my suspicions of Siggy and lesser concern with Div.

BE CAREFUL! The twist role (I think) and the godfather and 1 henchie remain. With only 7 voting, and three possible badguys it could go:

7 vote & miss. 1 lynch & 1 Murder = 1-3-1abs. Mafia wins.

Note: This assumes the twist role is mafia or a coreced mafia supporter. Odds are better if the twist role is neutral.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Funny, you didn't keep saying that to your mafioso buddy Sasaki.

[Kommodus]

Hm...

I'm not liking the way Crazed Rabbit keeps saying "I'm not the Godfather or a mafioso."

His behavior in past games indicates that even when he is in the role of a villain, he tries to avoid telling an outright lie. He'll happily mislead by omitting the truth, but will try to end the game in such a way as to be able to say "I never lied" at the end.

It could be that he has the mafia-support role and Sigurd or Myrddraal is the Godfather. Between these two I'd pick Sigurd. His early-game maneuvering may have been dangerous - why would the Godfather put himself forward so much? - but now that he's survived to the end-game it's a great cover.

I still think Crazed Rabbit is the one to lynch, but if the game doesn't end after that, go for Sigurd. I'm almost certain he's a villain of some kind; he's more likely to be support for the mafia, but he could be the Godfather as well.

I shudder to think that Myrddraal might be the Godfather as well. We don't have that many lynches to waste.

[Don Corleone]

For an already outed detective Myrdraal is very quiet and strangely alive 2 turns later.

Vote: Myrdraal

[Kommodus]

For an already outed detective Myrdraal is very quiet and strangely alive 2 turns later.

Let me head this one off before the mafia jump on it.

According to GH and Myrddraal, both mafia grunts are now dead. If they're telling the truth, the Godfather would have no reason to kill M. His investigations would be useless, and killing him would only prove his innocence. They would of course leave him alive till the very end.

Anyway, that's how the story goes. The other explanation (and the more likely one, for reasons discussed elsewhere) is that M continues to live because he's mafia. Whether he's the Godfather or a grunt I'm not sure, but at this point I'm guessing grunt.

[Crazed Rabbit]

His behavior in past games indicates that even when he is in the role of a villain, he tries to avoid telling an outright lie. He'll happily mislead by omitting the truth, but will try to end the game in such a way as to be able to say "I never lied" at the end.

That is true.

It could be that he has the mafia-support role and Sigurd or Myrddraal is the Godfather. Between these two I'd pick Sigurd. His early-game maneuvering may have been dangerous - why would the Godfather put himself forward so much? - but now that he's survived to the end-game it's a great cover.

You're stretching a bit to bring blame onto me, aren't you?
Let me spell it out; I'm neither godfather nor mafia, nor am I supporting them in any way, nor do I want them to win. I want the town, and the innocent villagers to win, and for as many of them as possible to live.

I still think Crazed Rabbit is the one to lynch, but if the game doesn't end after that, go for Sigurd. I'm almost certain he's a villain of some kind; he's more likely to be support for the mafia, but he could be the Godfather as well.

You seem to totally discount the possibility that GH and Myrd are telling the truth. You also ignore any evidence that Sasaki and Seamus might be mafia.

Its funny you bring up a mafia support role. I recall that sometimes you can find the doctor or detective by seeing who mentions that role first. Here we have you, who is not a confirmed innocent, talking about a role that hasn't really been in mafia games, in the end game a while after you've been lynched, trying to off me, who is a known innocent.

And Don, as I said before, if Sasaki was mafia, wouldn't Myrd not be?

Crazed Rabbit

[Kommodus]

You seem to totally discount the possibility that GH and Myrd are telling the truth. You also ignore any evidence that Sasaki and Seamus might be mafia.

Forgetting this, Don Rabbit?

Having caught up on the recent activity I have this to say:

My word but you are full of it, Sasaki! I can't believe you got the town to lynch one of their detectives - again! You're simply getting too good at this. Well played, my friend, well played.

That was posted in the aftermath of GH's lynching. Yep, I swallowed your gang's concocted story hook, line, and sinker. This was partially because of how well done it was - really, nice job - and partially because of the weak and suspicious arguments Sasaki was making at the time. Not exactly ignoring the evidence, am I?

Its funny you bring up a mafia support role. I recall that sometimes you can find the doctor or detective by seeing who mentions that role first. Here we have you, who is not a confirmed innocent, talking about a role that hasn't really been in mafia games, in the end game a while after you've been lynched, trying to off me, who is a known innocent.

Really, a role that hasn't been seen before? Don't you remember the mafia mastermind from Godfather I? I'm guessing the "twist" is not precisely the same as what it was in the other game, but I'm hardly making this stuff up.

And I'd like to know when your innocence was established. GH marked you as an (i), meaning "probably innocent," in his original "reveal." Sounds about right - making an inconspicuous argument in favor of your innocence.

At this point I think you're using your reputation as a non-liar to distort. Granted, you would have no other choice at this point. Is it worth it, knowing you won't be able to use that again?

P.S. I fully acknowledge the possibility that I'm wrong. If this turns out to be true, I'll happily wear a huge sign that says "Silver Rusher" and let you all pelt me with tomatoes and insults. Heck, I'll climb up out of this lake just to drown myself again.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Not exactly ignoring the evidence, am I?

Not then, but now you seem to completely dismiss it.

At this point I think you're using your reputation as a non-liar to distort. Granted, you would have no other choice at this point. Is it worth it, knowing you won't be able to use that again?

Considering I will be able to use it again, it is worth it. I'm not distorting anything, and at the end of this game I will make you eat your words with a whole bunch of crow.

P.S. I fully acknowledge the possibility that I'm wrong. If this turns out to be true, I'll happily wear a huge sign that says "Silver Rusher" and let you all pelt me with tomatoes and insults. Heck, I'll climb up out of this lake just to drown myself again.

Good. I will remind you of that at the end of this game.

Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to buy a lot of tomatoes.

Crazed Rabbit

[Death Match]

It broke Silver's rules as stated in beginning of thread.

I am sorry. It was an accident you see, i posted in a wrong forum...

[Xiahou]

Geez town! You lynch GH because he's a liar, then decide he's telling the truth and lynch Seamus- now apparently everyone again doubts GH. All of this waffling is going to lead to a mafia win.

[Sigurd]

I am sorry. It was an accident you see, i posted in a wrong forum...

Sooo... you are saying that the post you made was not meant for this board ..
that you were playing a mafia game on another... and that it was that game that was finished and not this one?

I am not buying it...

Unvote: Husar
Vote:Crazed Rabbit

[Kommodus]

Sooo... you are saying that the post you made was not meant for this board ..
that you were playing a mafia game on another... and that it was that game that was finished and not this one?

I am not buying it...

Unvote: Husar
Vote:Crazed Rabbit

What the heck kind of game are you playing, Sigurd?

First you say, in response to theRTWGuru's "botched" post, that you think Myrddraal is guilty. Then you vote for Husar without giving a reason, making it look as if you're trying to counterbalance the votes coming in for CR.

Now you change your tune about theRTWGuru and say you think he was playing us. You might be right, but then why vote for CR? That makes no sense. If you're going back to believing GH and M, then CR is not the one you would vote for.

It looks suspiciously like you, GH and M are leaving poor Rabbit out to dry. Could it be he's just a mafia grunt, or even an innocent person who your gang has duped?

If I were playing I'd change my vote to Sigurd Fafnesbane or Myrddraal. Good 'ol M is the most likely to be a villain of some kind, but I still doubt he's the Godfather.

Then again, maybe that's the response you were hoping to get by voting for CR.

EDIT: Hm, it's like you're deliberately acting suspicious. This is confusing.

[Husar]

Now you change your tune about theRTWGuru and say you think he was playing us. You might be right, but then why vote for CR? That makes no sense. If you're going back to believing GH and M, then CR is not the one you would vote for.

It looks suspiciously like you, GH and M are leaving poor Rabbit out to dry. Could it be he's just a mafia grunt, or even an innocent person who your gang has duped?

If I were playing I'd change my vote to Sigurd Fafnesbane or Myrddraal. Good 'ol M is the most likely to be a villain of some kind, but I still doubt he's the Godfather.

The whole point is that CR is supporting GH and Myrd, and thus they may belong together, the way he posted also looked like we get closer to an open mafia vs townies lynch-war. Even you say Myrd is most likely not the godfather so going after the potential godfather makes more sense.
I'd like to believe that CR is innocent, but I also find it dangerous to let him live.

[Don Corleone]

I voted for GH to keep the vote tally tied. When the balance shifted, I didn't have enough time to unvote to prevent the lynch. I feel bad that he got lynched, but perhaps 10 minutes for the end of voting is the wrong time to drop a bomb like that, especially WITHOUT Myrdraal around to at least back up his story. I attempted to balance my vote by going for Seamus the next round, alternating families, which brings us to Myrdraal.

As for voting for Myrdraal now, I know one thing, I'm not mafia. EVERYONE else that's still alive is suspect at some point or another. CR is lower on my list than others. I'm actually starting to believe that there's really two mafia families and we've been caught between them. For one family to win, not only do they have to kill of the town, but they have to kill off each other. That would explain why people are so factional and why even though we know we've hit at least one or two mafia by now, there's still so many people acting oddly.

In my theory, one family was Sasaki/Seamus and either Csar or Masy, possibly both. The other family is General Hank/Myrdraal/Sigurd and Csar or Masy, maybe CR (though he's not the type to outright lie, and I didn't see much wiggle room in his statements last night).

I strongly suspect Husar is innocent, though he certainly could be in either family. Now, why only 1 kill with all these mafia sitting around?

I think the rules are that each mafia gets to attack the town every other night (every 4 days instead of every two). This would also explain why the number of assinations went 2-2-1-2-1-1-...... We lynched a member from one family in the first 2 rounds, so when their turn came around, they only had one hitman. The other family still had both of theirs.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I voted for GH to keep the vote tally tied. When the balance shifted, I didn't have enough time to unvote to prevent the lynch. I feel bad that he got lynched, but perhaps 10 minutes for the end of voting is the wrong time to drop a bomb like that, especially WITHOUT Myrdraal around to at least back up his story. I attempted to balance my vote by going for Seamus the next round, alternating families, which brings us to Myrdraal.

As for voting for Myrdraal now, I know one thing, I'm not mafia. EVERYONE else that's still alive is suspect at some point or another. CR is lower on my list than others. I'm actually starting to believe that there's really two mafia families and we've been caught between them. For one family to win, not only do they have to kill of the town, but they have to kill off each other. That would explain why people are so factional and why even though we know we've hit at least one or two mafia by now, there's still so many people acting oddly.

In my theory, one family was Sasaki/Seamus and either Csar or Masy, possibly both. The other family is General Hank/Myrdraal/Sigurd and Csar or Masy, maybe CR (though he's not the type to outright lie, and I didn't see much wiggle room in his statements last night).

I strongly suspect Husar is innocent, though he certainly could be in either family. Now, why only 1 kill with all these mafia sitting around?

I think the rules are that each mafia gets to attack the town every other night (every 4 days instead of every two). This would also explain why the number of assinations went 2-2-1-2-1-1-...... We lynched a member from one family in the first 2 rounds, so when their turn came around, they only had one hitman. The other family still had both of theirs.

Cool theory, Don. I wasn't mafioso, however, so the 2nd member of Sasaki's family -- if this is indeed the twist -- may still be alive. Unfortunately, this woud mean 4 living mafia and only 3 "townies," not 3 and 4 as you outline. Either way it would explain Sasaki's frantic posting as a "white noise" blanket to keep the remaining members of his family under wraps.

Silver's write up on this should be a blast -- regardless of the finish. Go TOWN!

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well, it looks like I'm going down. Thanks a lot.

And I was so close to surviving an entire mafia game as a civilian. But nooooooooooo, everybody decides let's lynch Crazed Rabbit. Gah.

I suppose I am destined never to survive until the end as an innocent.

Sooo... you are saying that the post you made was not meant for this board ..
that you were playing a mafia game on another... and that it was that game that was finished and not this one?

I am not buying it...

Unvote: Husar
Vote:Crazed Rabbit

What? You're voting for me because of what RTWguru said?

Gah. Silver Rusher, when they come to lynch me, please make me stuggle the whole way whilst proclaiming my innocence.

CR

[Seamus Fermanagh]

What? You're voting for me because of what RTWguru said?

Gah. Silver Rusher, when they come to lynch me, please make me stuggle the whole way whilst proclaiming my innocence.

CR

Hey Rabbit, see ya soon.

I heartily concur, however, with your assessment of Siggy's "stated" reason for listing your name. Patently silly. I suspected you, and still do, but I never lobbed a reason like that into the discussion.

[Don Corleone]

What is the current tally? Is CR so far ahead of everyone else that one or two votes won't make a difference? I still have my eye on the increasingly mysterious Myrdraal, who's fallen off the face of the Earth these past few days, but I agree that Sigurd and a few other folks are every bit as mysterious.

[Husar]

I feel the pressure now.
Unvote: Crazed Rabbit
Vote: Abstain
I'm almost sick of it, let's just decide to kill noone because they are all oh-so innocent and wait until the mafia have won...
Everyone happy now?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

8 live.

7 vote (Divine Wind cannot).

4 have voted for Rabbit thus far (Csar, Husar, Masy, Sigurd).

1 each for Husar (Rabbit) and Myrdraal (Don C.)

1 has not voted (Myrdraal).

20 howl in the outer darkness, crying for vengeance.

[Husar]

I have another idea:
Why don't you all vote for me, get me lynched and then I can watch the townies lose and relax?

[Silver Rusher]

*****Voting Closed*****