The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Husar]

Hah, interesting to see how many suspicions were thrown around in my absence, I am now completely uncertain who could be connected with all this.
My suspicion now goes a bit towars Sigurd but I decided to stick to him now even if he is mafia, this simply makes my life easier and he is the only one who gives a bit of a reason to believe that he is innocent. The others didn't post enough for me to form any real opinion on them.
I would go for Divine Wind now and I believe that Csar and Masy are innocent.
Especially Csar seems to be rather innocent, he could come up with a good reasoning for all his flaws.

[Myrddraal]

Also, one other point Myrddraal. You wish us to believe that for the twist in this game, Silver removed the detective and replaced him with a mafia pawn who would never discover any useful information and could instead be used to confuse the town, while giving one of the mafia an alibi in the form of a detective pm? Balance? Helloooo?

Well umm.... no.

Let me make this as simple as possible:

What I know:
I recieved a PM from Silver informing that both I and GH were detectives.
I recieved PM's from Silver detailing the results of investigations.
GH has now posted a story I cannot accept, which means he must have lied to me.

What I'm assuming:
I was a dummy detective, misled into believing that I was real. Possible chosen by the godfather?
GH had a manipulatative role, possibly mafia, possibly not, possibly chosen by the godfather.
There was another, real detective, probably RTW_Guru.

I'm sorry if I'm being sarcastic Sasaki, but I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall. If this is revenge for proclaiming you guilty, I have no idea if you are. You might well be, since the investigation was after your death, it might have suited GH to 'reveal' you as mafia so that we couldn't narrow down our choices too much.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

[QUOTE=Myrddraal]

What I know:
I recieved a PM from Silver informing that both I and GH were detectives.
I recieved PM's from Silver detailing the results of investigations.
GH has now posted a story I cannot accept, which means he must have lied to me.

It doesn't actually. If you were actually both detectives he could have posted that to help you out. Detectives are allowed to lie too you know. It merely suits your needs to disassociate yourself from him now that he is percieved as guilty.

What I'm assuming:
I was a dummy detective, misled into believing that I was real. Possible chosen by the godfather?
GH had a manipulatative role, possibly mafia, possibly not, possibly chosen by the godfather.
There was another, real detective, probably RTW_Guru.

How is that more balanced than what I posted? If rtwGuru had claimed in your scenario, GH and/or you would have posted and said he was lying and you had proof, and the mafia would have dropped the kills after he was lynched, thus vindicating you.

I'm sorry if I'm being sarcastic Sasaki, but I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall.

I feel your pain


Also, you didn't answer my previous post (I need a keyboard shortcut for this phrase).

[Myrddraal]

It doesn't actually. If you were actually both detectives he could have posted that to help you out. Detectives are allowed to lie too you know. It merely suits your needs to disassociate yourself from him now that he is percieved as guilty.

No, because if he was trying to save me, he would have got in touch first.

How is that more balanced than what I posted? If rtwGuru had claimed in your scenario, GH and/or you would have posted and said he was lying and you had proof, and the mafia would have dropped the kills after he was lynched, thus vindicating you.

Well I don't know, maybe the game is balanced in another way. Maybe there are other roles...

But remember that in GF1, the game was also biased by a manipulator role. That person, chose the detective. Balance?

I'm sorry Sasaki, can you just link to or pm me the things I've missed. I will try my best to answer them. I'm tired and off to bed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No, because if he was trying to save me, he would have got in touch first.

If you say so.

Well I don't know, maybe the game is balanced in another way. Maybe there are other roles...

But remember that in GF1, the game was also biased by a manipulator role. That person, chose the detective. Balance?

I was just an extra vote...and the choice of detective didn't have a huge impact I don't think. There was only one mafioso he could have uncovered. Far different from your proposed scenario.

I'm sorry Sasaki, can you just link to or pm me the things I've missed. I will try my best to answer them. I'm tired and off to bed.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=909

No worries.


I think we'll make it to 1000 folks

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Myrddraal:

All other arguments aside,

AFTER your partner "detective" was lynched, you investigated me, named me guilty, and listed a long list of my kills. Hanky did not do this, you did.

I was and am innocent.

So, either you:

were mafia and lying to bushwhack us (my vote)

OR

Silver's twist involves a role that can label innocents as guilty when the detective investigates them (NOT my vote).

I say you and Hanky were the chosen thugs -- but I was wrong about my first choice for GF.

Csar has the voting record that supports you two best, but

Masy has been under the radar all game

Divine Wind is in a sheltered position

Sigurd dragged down two innocents in succession

and Husar targeted Hanky at least once, always posted, and never missed a vote.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, tonight will remove one of those, and DW we can safely leave. So the choice will be out of 3.

[Myrddraal]

You said I was guilty remember. You haven't been acting like a detective, and your story "doesn't add up".

How is a detective supposed to act? I've just acted like me, I acted the for the short period in the last and only other game I played.

He didn't lie to you.

So you're saying GH is telling the truth?

Possibility 1: I'm not certain I would have done that in your place
Possibility 2: I'm not certain I would have done that in his place
Possibility 3: No way

In mafia it is never the case that all the evidence points a certain way, and you can't be sure a mafioso would make a certain choice. If you can be sure they would make a choice then they would make the opposite to fool you except you would know they would do that but then again they would know you would know etc etec around and around.

Well it's true. We could also be a pair of masons having a laugh, but some things are more likely than others.

[Husar]

and Husar targeted Hanky at least once, always posted, and never missed a vote.

Which basically means that I should get a life...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Which basically means that I should get a life...

...or your are seriously in danger of having a life appointed for you.