Possible to force an adoption?

[caius britannicus]

Is it possible to force an adoption at the start of the campaign? In addition to this, is it possible to have a dead male as the head of the family tree? I'm trying to get it so there is a family member that is older than the faction leader but also part of the family tree (and not his father), so that if the faction leader is killed in battle the player can still name the other family member the faction heir and subsequently faction leader. I assumed that to create a dead head of the family tree I would have to use the character record. and so I used the following entry

Note all names used are valid working names.

character_record		Baldwin, 	male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 80, dead, never_a_leader
character_record		Margareta, 	female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 80, alive, never_a_leader
character_record		Sibylla, 	female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 27, alive, never_a_leader
character_record		Isabella, 	female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 15, alive, never_a_leader
character_record		Isabella_of_Hainaut, 	female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 17, alive, never_a_leader
character_record		Berengaria, 	female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 20, alive, never_a_leader
character_record		Beatrice, 	female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 39, dead, never_a_leader

Then set up the relatives like so:

relative	Baldwin,Margareta,	Guy_of_Lusignan,	Conrad_of_Montferrat,	Philippe_II,	Frederick_Barbarossa,	Richard_Plantagenet, end
relative 	Guy_of_Lusignan, Sibylla, end
relative	Conrad_of_Montferrat, Isabella, end
relative	Philippe_II,Isabella_of_Hainaut, end
relative	Frederick_Barbarossa,Beatrice, end
relative 	Richard_Plantagenet,Berengaria, end

Where Guy, Conrad, Philippe, Frederick and Richard are all named generals.

However this setup gives me a kick back on trying to load the campaign. At first there were some problems because if a father or mother is not at least 15 years older than their son it also causes kick backs. Now however Barbarossa is 65 and his parents are both 80 so theres no age conflict. I could have swore I have seen dead family members from the start of the campaign before. Is there something I am missing? Is "dead" rather than "alive" not a valid entry?

[Makanyane]

Sorry no idea on adoption, but you have got five sons (normally only 4 sons/daughters work) for your faction leader, whenever I've tried that I've got KTM -show_err error relating to the 5th son on the lines of 'so & so hasn't fot a father so will be omitted..etc' if you're not getting that I suspect there is a more fundamental problem elsewhere.

I've seen 'dead' but not working, , to test if that on its own is a problem, could you try vanilla version/one you know works and convert just a youngest son / grandson (who's over 16) to a dead reference in character record.. to test that alone and not involving descending elements of family tree?

I suspect that you might not be able to have 'dead' head to family tree, example I have seen which was probably hoping to achieve same is: Arthurian TW, that has used scripting to kill off head of family tree once game launches, in order to get brothers as heirs etc.. It might be worth pm'ing them to see if they have research / findings on this.

[caius britannicus]

Dead works, its meant for females and children. So I tried it with a male older than 16. But I don't think its gonna work. RTW is a pain, heck I just learned that if you don't put the children in chronological order after the father/wife in the relative line you get a kick back. Rather frustrating.

I'll contact ATW see if they have any insight for me.

[Epistolary Richard]

EB equally uses the kill_character command in the campaign_script to kill off an unwanted members of the family tree. I believed they investigated other ways of achieving it but were unsuccessful.

From the EB Unofficial Late Period Project:

Pahlava starting family tree: