Moslems will not be arrested at Ramadan

[InsaneApache]

Police to avoid Ramadan arrests

Police in Manchester have been told not to arrest Muslims wanted on warrants at prayer times during Ramadan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/6073162.stm

Is it just me? Or do we (in the West) tiptoe around, terrified of creating offence to Moslems. Would this extend to Christians during lent, or Hindus at Diwalhi? Probably not.

This will do nothing for relations with our Moslem minority. It will only fuel resentment from the rest of the population. Sometimes I think the people who think this stuff up, are secretly in the BNP.

[Duke of Gloucester]

Agreed.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Well, here's the thing.

If they say "Muslims won't be arrested while they're in Mosques and all during Ramadan" that's one thing, you can sit outside and wait for them to come out and then arrest them. To say that they won't be arrested at all, I mean, jeez, I'm converting and moving to Manchester!

[Dâriûsh]

Calm down.

Police said it was not a blanket ban, just a "request for sensitivity".

The email stressed the order did not apply to on-the-spot arrests, only the execution of arrest warrants.

...


The internal email was sent to staff listing the prayer times, but confusion arose and a second memo was sent clarifying it was not a total ban on arresting Muslims at these times.

It is still stupid, though.

[MSB]

Pathetic! I can see a future in which a Muslim could murder one hundred people on one day, be found out by the police on Ramadan and on that day get on a plane and escape to another country and all the police could possibly do is watch. What is it all about giving Muslims special rights. The police don't advise that Christians cannot be arrested during Lent, at Easter and on Christmas day! It's as if the state is planning on making everybody except Muslims second class citizens.

[whyidie]

Pathetic! That means that a Muslim could murder one hundred people on one day, be found out by the police on Ramadan and on that day get on a plane and escape to another country and all the police could possibly do is watch. What is it all about giving Muslims special rights. Christians can be arrested during Lent, at Easter and on Christmas day! It's as if the state is planning on making everybody except Muslims second class citizens.

Thats exactly what it is my friend! They could totally get away with murder! Woe is us who don't get to murder! Woe is us!

[Scurvy]

Pathetic! That means that a Muslim could murder one hundred people on one day, be found out by the police on Ramadan and on that day get on a plane and escape to another country and all the police could possibly do is watch. What is it all about giving Muslims special rights. Christians can be arrested during Lent, at Easter and on Christmas day! It's as if the state is planning on making everybody except Muslims second class citizens.

did anyone read it?

Greater Manchester Police confirmed it had asked detectives not to make planned arrests during those periods for reasons of religious sensitivity.

Police said it was not a blanket ban, just a "request for sensitivity".

The email stressed the order did not apply to on-the-spot arrests, only the execution of arrest warrants.

If a muslim murders someone they still get arrested! if a muslim commits a crime they still get arrested, just like everyone else!

it just means not making panned arrests that can be rearranged which might inflame muslim extremists - which is sensible in the long term - for everyones safety



However: i basically agree ith apaches point -->

Is it just me? Or do we (in the West) tiptoe around, terrified of creating offence to Moslems.

at the moment we are being slightly too careful (although not necessarily in this particular case), the only way to seriosly resolve the issues is to discuss it openly

[BDC]

I doubt that many Christians have been dragged out of Christmas Church services by the police either...

[Tribesman]

did anyone read it?

It seems not

So the title should be "police will not disturb religeous gatherings at alloted times during the religeous festival in order to serve routine existing warrants "

Not

Moslems will not be arrested at Ramadan

A slight difference don't you think

[Scurvy]

[BigTex]

Pathetic! That means that a Muslim could murder one hundred people on one day, be found out by the police on Ramadan and on that day get on a plane and escape to another country and all the police could possibly do is watch. What is it all about giving Muslims special rights. Christians can be arrested during Lent, at Easter and on Christmas day! It's as if the state is planning on making everybody except Muslims second class citizens.

It's not like the police wouldnt give the same curtesy for christians. Infact when was the last time you saw a swat team rushing a church service to serve a warrant? When was the last time a church service was disturbed by the police at all for the purpose of serving a routine warrant? Please, don't give me that muslems (btw ya even spelled the word wrong.) are destroying my rights cra* over this.
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[Conradus]

Please, don't give me that muslems (btw ya even spelled the word wrong.) are destroying my rights cra* over this.

Both are correct ;)

[InsaneApache]

It seems not

So the title should be "police will not disturb religeous gatherings at alloted times during the religeous festival in order to serve routine existing warrants "

Not
A slight difference don't you think

Except it's not all religious gatherings is it? Or for that matter all religious festivals.

[Tribesman]

Except it's not all religious gatherings is it? Or for that matter all religious festivals.

Prove it , perhaps you could come up with an example of the police going into a temple or church during a service unless it is at the request of the preachers todeal with a disturbance within .

Hey , here's a good one , a religeous festival when the gardai get a chance to serve lots of outstanding warrants , the pilgrimage to Knock for the solemn Novena (or you could try the climbing of the reek instead thats another one they cannot miss) . Events where they know the people they want are going to be , but they never ever go in during the proceedings to serve the warrants , they arrest them when they leave the location .
Hey how about with the funerals , yep they may call in the army , they may seal off the whole damn town , but they never do anything to disrupt the actual religeous ceremony .

Or are you trying to sneak out of it by pointing out that a memo about a specific festival only applies to the named festival
way to go sherlock

[Devastatin Dave]

I wouldn't want to rush into a mosque if I was a cop either. You might get a cap in your ass shot in the name of Allah.

Seriously, its like the illegal alien up in Chicago that seeked asylum in a Catholic Church. The cops didn't bust down the doors to get her. They just waited her out. I would expect them to do the same for most criminals regardless of what god they are hiding behind.

[Scurvy]

alien?

[Tribesman]

alien?

Scientology

[The Stranger]

I wonder who sent that mail :P maybe he was muslim

[Don Corleone]

Actually, my friend's first cousin, who was a leg-breaker for a loan shark, got hauled out of Christmas Day mass. But honestly, that's not what we're talking about here people. They're saying "look, we've been following Abdul for a while now. Let's wait a week before we go scarf him up". Happens all the time for a wide variety of reasons. Whitey Bulger, one of the biggest gangsters in Boston, talked the police department into not serving papers on him until after the NFL playoffs and the Superbowl, cause he knew he'd get remanded without parole.

[Prince of the Poodles]

People get arrested in church around here. I dont think its a good idea to give muslims special treatment like this. That seems like rewarding them for being such a violent group. It makes the authorities look intimidated.

But, its not my country, so its none of my business.

[MSB]

For everybody's information I did read the article. I have now rephrased what it said so it makes more sense.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Traditionally no one is arrested during religious observence. I haven't heard of warrents being held off until after lent though.

So personnally, Ramadan or no, I think they should be arrested, but not in the Mosque.

[Navaros]

Always good to see some effort being made to not arrest & torture every Muslim possible for a change.

[lancelot]

Always good to see some effort being made to not arrest & torture every Muslim possible for a change.

torture

every

muslim

....?

Seriously dude, what world do you live in?

[Navaros]

Seriously dude, what world do you live in?

A world in which the so-called "civilized" nations start illegitimate, illegal wars to satiate their gluttonous desire for oil pillaging and in the process see fit to torture, kill, and/or wrongly arrest and imprison any Muslim they feel like it for no reason at all.

[InsaneApache]

I've yet to meet a moslem who was tortured....unless you mean the poor buggers who voted new labour.....

[master of the puppets]

... yeah right navaros

religion is meant to bring people together, and muslims in this time have become a rather tight knit community, any arrests no matter how justified will seem a tad uncalled for if it ends up disturbing a religious ceremony, i doubt they would ever storm a mosque or arrest them on profile on the street of there home town. if they are truly giving this protection for all of ramadan it is stupid. but as they said its not a blanket, murderers, rapists, assailants would undoubtably be arrested (no matter how unlikely as ramadan has a lot to do with peace) its just probably petty and minor crimes that can be set asside for a few days that itr will be overlooked.

[MSB]

So personnally, Ramadan or no, I think they should be arrested, but not in the Mosque.

If they were not to be arrested in the mosque then they could stand there for the rest of their lives and not get arrested. Food could be brought in by other Muslims and they could live a happy little life in the building!

What you are suggesting sounds like the "sanctuary" of the Middle Ages. There was a church in Britain in which it was illegal to arrest you. So once you had entered the church grounds all the sheriff could do is watch as you entered the building. Of course many people abused the system and many people would do the same if was illegal to arrest somebody in a Mosque. I suspect that even non-Muslims would run into a Mosque to dodge the police.

[BigTex]

If they were not to be arrested in the mosque then they could stand there for the rest of their lives and not get arrested. Food could be brought in by other Muslims and they could live a happy little life in the building!

I'm confused, is that not what prison is?

There is nothing wrong with allowing someone to at least finish their worship before going to jail. Let them settle things before their god before going to prison.
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Ridicolus
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[Duke of Gloucester]

I've yet to meet a moslem who was tortured....unless you mean the poor buggers who voted new labour.....

It is still illegal here. (Although before we get too superiour we need to remember that the treatment of the Birmingham six was by any defintion torture).

did anyone read it?

Yes, I did. If you look at IA's original post, he is asking whether "we think we (in the West) tiptoe around, terrified of creating offence to Moslems." I think this email is evidence that we do. His mention of Diwali is particularly pertinent. This festival was yesterday, but seems not to have been mentioned in the email at all. Ramadan is a month-long preparation for Eid. Eid will fall tomorrow or Tuesday of this week (depending on which Mosque you attend). During Ramadan, Moslems fast during the hours of daylight and pray at three times. (It may only be men who are obliged to pray three times). I am sure that the police exercise religious sensitivity and it was entirely appropriate for the police in Manchester to remind their officers of the prayer times and to say that planned arrests should fall outside these times. It is disappointing that the same email did not remind their officers of Diwali at the same time. Like IA, I sometimes wonder whether this is another example of granting Moslems a special consideration that they don't actually want. Sometimes I too wonder whether this is done by people who actually wish to stir up trouble; that is certainly the motivation of those who leaked the email.